Aem V2
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my 2 cents (w/o all of that technical stuff since I'm not an ME)...
I dont doubt that these will make at least some more power over prior designs... but I definately this is all about making $$$. I don't believe AEM is all out to help us make more power... they are out to get our money.
why isnt the dyno example on their page enlarged? or even detailed??? They dont explain their test settings, or even mention what car that is off of. Those figures look very inconsistant, cant help but feel they "tweaked" it so the graphs/results will look favorable. No details of their test settings.
I'm sure any larger diameter pipe will increase top end torque, while sacraficing low end (hence AEM's top end gains vs their original design for instance). Their original applications seemed a bit conservative on the diameter size to me to maintain low/mid range power.
The 5th accord aem CAI 2.5" diameter piping vs say a 4th/5th gen lude's 2.75/3" piping I'm guessing would yield similar results (top end gains w/ low or mid range loss)? anyone have experience? or want to add input to this theory?
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Is all of this enough to warrant me goin out to buy a new intake, or shelling out bank to get this top spiffy one? IMO hell no. I think they are just trying to hype this to get more sales...
My justifcation... remember when they started producing their own cone filters? Their claims were that it improved airflow or some crap? I'm sure it was probably to cut down their costs of sourcing K&N filters more than trying to increase performance. Well, whatever works in retail marketing right?
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I'd like to see some generic companies copy the design or release similar ones at half the cost. CP performance anyone? Either way, I have a personal bias against supporting companies who use tactics like this to sell products and make revenue... I think its down right pathetic to generate revenue and sales off of hype rather than performance delivery.
I dont doubt that these will make at least some more power over prior designs... but I definately this is all about making $$$. I don't believe AEM is all out to help us make more power... they are out to get our money.
why isnt the dyno example on their page enlarged? or even detailed??? They dont explain their test settings, or even mention what car that is off of. Those figures look very inconsistant, cant help but feel they "tweaked" it so the graphs/results will look favorable. No details of their test settings.
I'm sure any larger diameter pipe will increase top end torque, while sacraficing low end (hence AEM's top end gains vs their original design for instance). Their original applications seemed a bit conservative on the diameter size to me to maintain low/mid range power.
The 5th accord aem CAI 2.5" diameter piping vs say a 4th/5th gen lude's 2.75/3" piping I'm guessing would yield similar results (top end gains w/ low or mid range loss)? anyone have experience? or want to add input to this theory?
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Is all of this enough to warrant me goin out to buy a new intake, or shelling out bank to get this top spiffy one? IMO hell no. I think they are just trying to hype this to get more sales...
My justifcation... remember when they started producing their own cone filters? Their claims were that it improved airflow or some crap? I'm sure it was probably to cut down their costs of sourcing K&N filters more than trying to increase performance. Well, whatever works in retail marketing right?
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I'd like to see some generic companies copy the design or release similar ones at half the cost. CP performance anyone? Either way, I have a personal bias against supporting companies who use tactics like this to sell products and make revenue... I think its down right pathetic to generate revenue and sales off of hype rather than performance delivery.
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I was wondering the same thing about why they decided to go with their design for air filters. It could very well be that they didn't want to outsource the filter and made their own filter to raise profits.
And you know, I also don't think AEM made V2 because of some revolutionary design in intakes. It IS about getting more sales and creating buzz to get recognition. But I also do think the new intake can make the most power/torque vs. other intakes on the market. Would I get one? Probably not until my current AEM CAI goes bad or if the V2 has been dynoed by somebody to produce much more HP. But for people without an aftermarket intake system, they should hold off on purchasing one until they see what the V2 can do for them.
And you know, I also don't think AEM made V2 because of some revolutionary design in intakes. It IS about getting more sales and creating buzz to get recognition. But I also do think the new intake can make the most power/torque vs. other intakes on the market. Would I get one? Probably not until my current AEM CAI goes bad or if the V2 has been dynoed by somebody to produce much more HP. But for people without an aftermarket intake system, they should hold off on purchasing one until they see what the V2 can do for them.
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Dunno, as an engineering student, i maintain faith in good engineering. It's possible that they've accomplished something new and potentially very effective. It's also possible that they are full of ****. If the ARE full of ****, which its quite possible they might be, then a lot of people who wasted money on the V2 before the dyno results are in aren't gonna buy an AEM intake the next time they have a car project. I don't imagine that AEM's business model plans on that. . .
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I don't know if this is right but, If you have ever heard of the venturi effect, i know that carburated engines have them, the air going into the engine is uncompressed, then the diameter gets smaller then back to the same size, but the air is compressed. I don't know if that has anything to do with it, probably not.
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nope, cant say i have, but im sure there are a few MEs on the board who could tell you about it, maybe showgunz has heard of it. . .
i dunno about it being compressed when it goes back into the larger pipe, a gas fills the space its confined to. . .then again, im speculating on things im not qualified to analyze. . .although im sure its possible that there is some relation. . .
i dunno about it being compressed when it goes back into the larger pipe, a gas fills the space its confined to. . .then again, im speculating on things im not qualified to analyze. . .although im sure its possible that there is some relation. . .
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From: CA
Originally posted by AcsRcool
by the way, not believing in this "physics bull****" is not a good way to learn about cars, because not one aspect of their design aside from the color of your interior fails to take into account the study of physics
by the way, not believing in this "physics bull****" is not a good way to learn about cars, because not one aspect of their design aside from the color of your interior fails to take into account the study of physics
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Now you guys are talking about all these physics when in fact about 80-90% of the people who buy them or consider them are only going to do simple i/h/e rims system kit/lip and basically stop.
They are not all going for all out power in reality, so although the physic's is important but when talking physic's for a item that will be adding a mere 4whp probally won't be all that crucial in the end since they are doing basica bolt on's.
They are not all going for all out power in reality, so although the physic's is important but when talking physic's for a item that will be adding a mere 4whp probally won't be all that crucial in the end since they are doing basica bolt on's.
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yeah, this is true, but there are cases like mine for example. I've done i/h/e and i really don't plan to do much more than that. Not because I don't want to, but because I can't afford to. It may be true that amateurs like me are just using bolt-ons, but that doesnt mean we don't want a well-engineering product that provides the best performance possible. I'm not saying I would upgrade from the AEM CAI I have now. But had the V2 been available and proved to be even 3 or 4 whp better when i bought mine, I probably would have shelled out for it because it was the best.
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From: Southeastern CT
Originally posted by AcsRcool
But had the V2 been available and proved to be even 3 or 4 whp better when i bought mine, I probably would have shelled out for it because it was the best.
But had the V2 been available and proved to be even 3 or 4 whp better when i bought mine, I probably would have shelled out for it because it was the best.