'02 Accord Tweeter / Crossover Question...
Hello All,
I have a 2002 Honda Accord LX with the "6-speaker" sound system. (6x9's in the rear deck and 6"(?) speakers in the front doors and tweeters in the extreme corners of the dash by the windshield.) Based on what I've read in other forum messages, it appears the woofers in the front doors are wired in parallel to the tweeters in the dash and the tweeters have a capacitor at their connection point to block bass frequencies.
Here's what I'd like to do... I've already replaced the rear deck speakers with a pair of Kicker KS69s (a great improvement). I'm not at all impressed with imaging of the "component" front speakers. What I plan to do is replace the speakers in the door with a set of full-range speakers, disabling the front tweeters. I'd like to eventually remove the capacitors from the front door speakers and use those for communications equipment in my vehicle.
My question is this: Where exactly does the one set of wires for the front speakers at the factory wiring harness split into two sets (one for the woofer and one for the tweeter)?
Also, would my best bet be to run new wire to the door speakers and use the existing wiring at the wiring harness to feed the tweeters from my communications equipment? If so, how difficult is it to run the new wiring into the doors?
Thanks in advance for any replies!
-Dan
I have a 2002 Honda Accord LX with the "6-speaker" sound system. (6x9's in the rear deck and 6"(?) speakers in the front doors and tweeters in the extreme corners of the dash by the windshield.) Based on what I've read in other forum messages, it appears the woofers in the front doors are wired in parallel to the tweeters in the dash and the tweeters have a capacitor at their connection point to block bass frequencies.
Here's what I'd like to do... I've already replaced the rear deck speakers with a pair of Kicker KS69s (a great improvement). I'm not at all impressed with imaging of the "component" front speakers. What I plan to do is replace the speakers in the door with a set of full-range speakers, disabling the front tweeters. I'd like to eventually remove the capacitors from the front door speakers and use those for communications equipment in my vehicle.
My question is this: Where exactly does the one set of wires for the front speakers at the factory wiring harness split into two sets (one for the woofer and one for the tweeter)?
Also, would my best bet be to run new wire to the door speakers and use the existing wiring at the wiring harness to feed the tweeters from my communications equipment? If so, how difficult is it to run the new wiring into the doors?
Thanks in advance for any replies!
-Dan
Side question ... what do you mean by "communications" equiptment?
I swapped out my front speakers and left the dash "speakers" (which I can't even tell are working) alone. What are you planning to put in there?
I think the biggest issue here is "level of effort". To get to the dash speakers, you have to disassemble the dash and maybe remove the windshield.
I swapped out my front speakers and left the dash "speakers" (which I can't even tell are working) alone. What are you planning to put in there?
I think the biggest issue here is "level of effort". To get to the dash speakers, you have to disassemble the dash and maybe remove the windshield.
In reviewing some of the past posts it appears that some of the Accords have the speaker grills with no speakers. It's quite possible that your Accord may not even have speakers there. I've confirmed mine does.
The communications equipment I was planning to hook to the tweeters is an amateur radio transceiver. It just puts out around 3W to a mono speaker output. Assuming the dash speakers are 4 ohm I could probably wire them both in series to the mono jack of the radio to present the radio with an 8 ohm speaker load.
Thanks,
-Dan
The communications equipment I was planning to hook to the tweeters is an amateur radio transceiver. It just puts out around 3W to a mono speaker output. Assuming the dash speakers are 4 ohm I could probably wire them both in series to the mono jack of the radio to present the radio with an 8 ohm speaker load.
Thanks,
-Dan
Nope - my 2002 Honda Accord LX does, in fact, have 6 speakers. This is probably a complimentary upgrade from previous years' models - Honda does that from time to time.
For example, a buddy of mine has a 1999(?) Honda Accord LX. His Accord does not include body-colored side moldings, whereas they come standard on the 2002 model. I believe his also came with a cassette deck whereas mine came with a CD-player.
-Dan
For example, a buddy of mine has a 1999(?) Honda Accord LX. His Accord does not include body-colored side moldings, whereas they come standard on the 2002 model. I believe his also came with a cassette deck whereas mine came with a CD-player.
-Dan
I took off the door trim panel and the dash tweeter tonight. I was somewhat disgusted to find the wire running to each speaker is very thin (18-20 gauge?). Also disappointing was the entry point of the door wiring. It's very high up on the door pillar which would make replacement of the speaker wire difficult without removing the dash assembly.
On a positive note the tweeter did appear to be of moderate quality - not simply a very small paper driver. It had three terminals on it, with the speaker input wires going to two of the wires and an orange component (stamped 1L8 824) going between the third terminal and one of the speaker input wires.
With the speakers in place, I did continuity checks between all the terminals. Between some of the terminals it was 0 ohm resistance, others it was 4 ohm resistance, and between the legs of the orange component it was around 7 ohms resistance. My best guess based on my tinkering around tonight is that each speaker is a 4 ohm speaker, they may be wired in parallel as some have suggested, and there is a 7 ohm resistor inline to boost the resistance (to keep the head unit happy... two 4 ohm speakers wired in parallel without additional resistance inline would present the head unit with a 2 ohm load).
At this point it appears:
- Running thicker wire to the door speakers would not be an easy undertaking at all.
- The tweeters can easily be unplugged. Perhaps this is an easy way to put full-range speakers in the door and get rid of the poor imaging provided by the stock tweeters?
- I could just replace the door speakers with aftermarket ones, leaving the tweeters connected, but there's no saying how that'd sound or if the resistor(?) on the tweeter could handle the power of an amplifier.
I think I'll probably leave well enough alone and live with the factory door speakers and tweeters, powered by my head unit. I wish Honda didn't make it so impossible to replace the factory sound system with superior aftermarket components.
Any other advice??
-Dan
On a positive note the tweeter did appear to be of moderate quality - not simply a very small paper driver. It had three terminals on it, with the speaker input wires going to two of the wires and an orange component (stamped 1L8 824) going between the third terminal and one of the speaker input wires.
With the speakers in place, I did continuity checks between all the terminals. Between some of the terminals it was 0 ohm resistance, others it was 4 ohm resistance, and between the legs of the orange component it was around 7 ohms resistance. My best guess based on my tinkering around tonight is that each speaker is a 4 ohm speaker, they may be wired in parallel as some have suggested, and there is a 7 ohm resistor inline to boost the resistance (to keep the head unit happy... two 4 ohm speakers wired in parallel without additional resistance inline would present the head unit with a 2 ohm load).
At this point it appears:
- Running thicker wire to the door speakers would not be an easy undertaking at all.
- The tweeters can easily be unplugged. Perhaps this is an easy way to put full-range speakers in the door and get rid of the poor imaging provided by the stock tweeters?
- I could just replace the door speakers with aftermarket ones, leaving the tweeters connected, but there's no saying how that'd sound or if the resistor(?) on the tweeter could handle the power of an amplifier.
I think I'll probably leave well enough alone and live with the factory door speakers and tweeters, powered by my head unit. I wish Honda didn't make it so impossible to replace the factory sound system with superior aftermarket components.
Any other advice??
-Dan
1. unhook the dash tweeters.
2. remove the door spearkers.
3. replace the door speakers with components (mount the tweeter in the door) or a nice set to 3 ways.
I really wonder:
a) where the dash tweeters source wire trails back to (split point)
b) do they work without the stock head unit?


