well, sorry that i went off too, but im just getting really upset sort of that if a new person to the forum that doesnt know about the forum yet, whats he do he asks a question thats been asked before most likely, but do you think he knows that? some people on the forum just plane on be an ass about it and dont give him any info and just tell him to search... its like giving this place a bad rep then because he'll think people are just bunch of asses then...

anyway

thanks for your replys

i tried the advancing and retarding, i noticed when advancing, 1-3k rpm was slowish then usual but after that it picked up a bit..

 

I thought you could advance to 18 degrees BTDC which is still within Honda spec and gain a few horses and acctually increase gas milage.
Here are as few articles i have found on ignition timing advance and how to do it properly. Check out the article at cspeed also on that page.Advance timing article