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Old Apr 8, 2004 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bambbrose
what do you mean by abs is driven off of the axle? I have never heard of this... I would like to know what that means. from what i knew abs was controled by vehicle speed sensors reading different readings, and then the abs unit lets the pressure off of one of the calipers to stop the wheel from locking up.. what does that have to do with the axle?

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the speed sensor works by counting little bumps as the axle spins, sends the info to the abs computer, the abs computer delegates fluid control based on brake force and the speed info.

The brakes themselves (the rotors, calipers, lines) don't do anything... they're just plain old hardware. :edit: For instance, I have brakes from an ABS teg on my non-abs civic, and they work the same way the stock ones did.
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxBoosT
The benefit of a bigger brake setup isn't limited to just locking... almost any brake system can be locked. Real performance is how close you come to stop before you lock. Many factors including caliper design and rotor size effect this.
By the way, it's "Brakes".
Not Necissary.. sure there is a benfit with a larger rotor ,heat disapation, however if you can lock your brakes with any setup then you have reach the limit of adhesion for your tires, and probably have too much brake, or not enough tire. Remember what stops your car, there was test in a magazine I can't remeber, they put bigger brakes on a Stock RSX, the braking distance increased by 10 feet, the said it felt better and they had better modulation, but for an $1100 big brake kit the felt the should have shorter stopping distance.
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Solracer
Not Necissary.. sure there is a benfit with a larger rotor ,heat disapation, however if you can lock your brakes with any setup then you have reach the limit of adhesion for your tires, and probably have too much brake, or not enough tire. Remember what stops your car, there was test in a magazine I can't remeber, they put bigger brakes on a Stock RSX, the braking distance increased by 10 feet, the said it felt better and they had better modulation, but for an $1100 big brake kit the felt the should have shorter stopping distance.
Which kit did they use.

A far as rotor size, caliper stability and leverage affect on the rotor, which means a larger rotor size, those factors increase. Having said that, the more stable a caliper and more evenly it can push the pads to the rotor surface, the faster your car will stop.
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxBoosT
Which kit did they use.

A far as rotor size, caliper stability and leverage affect on the rotor, which means a larger rotor size, those factors increase. Having said that, the more stable a caliper and more evenly it can push the pads to the rotor surface, the faster your car will stop.
I agree with that, however I believe the problem with the RSX was they had to put bigger rims to go over the larger rotors and that increased the rotating mass significantly which led to longer brake distances over a stock RSX.

Most Honda's come with pretty decent brakes from the factory and IMHO before some spends a lot of money on a big brake kit, they should replace their fluid, rotors and get pads with a higher co-efficient of friction, and they would probably be surprised with the result.
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 08:48 AM
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by white_n_slow
the speed sensor works by counting little bumps as the axle spins, sends the info to the abs computer, the abs computer delegates fluid control based on brake force and the speed info.

The brakes themselves (the rotors, calipers, lines) don't do anything... they're just plain old hardware. :edit: For instance, I have brakes from an ABS teg on my non-abs civic, and they work the same way the stock ones did.
alright that makes sense by saying abs brakes are larger, I really just meant abs equiped civics have to have 14" wheels while the non abs ones only have to have 13" wheels... so even though the brakes might not be affected by abs honda still put larger brakes on the abs equipped cars. that is what I was getting at.. I dont know if the sols are the same though
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bambbrose
alright that makes sense by saying abs brakes are larger, I really just meant abs equiped civics have to have 14" wheels while the non abs ones only have to have 13" wheels... so even though the brakes might not be affected by abs honda still put larger brakes on the abs equipped cars. that is what I was getting at.. I dont know if the sols are the same though
Right. All abs cars have the bigger brakes, but some non-abs cars do too (like non-abs Si's, teg RS's etc)
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Old Apr 13, 2004 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Solracer
I agree with that, however I believe the problem with the RSX was they had to put bigger rims to go over the larger rotors and that increased the rotating mass significantly which led to longer brake distances over a stock RSX.
Agree, but the added benefit of a bigger brake upgrade (calipers as well) is the ability to brake hard multiple times without having brake fade....
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Old Apr 13, 2004 | 07:26 PM
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have u checked SSBC -- they make a kit for eVerything!! -- im sure u can put tha kit that g0es ona 96+ HB(non-abs) onto yoru sol.. they have prettty much tha same braking set-ups

http://www.stainlesssteelbrakes.com/
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Gusto222
have u checked SSBC -- they make a kit for eVerything!! -- im sure u can put tha kit that g0es ona 96+ HB(non-abs) onto yoru sol.. they have prettty much tha same braking set-ups

http://www.stainlesssteelbrakes.com/
No offense, but those calipers are one of the most ghetto designed I've seen...
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