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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 09:04 PM
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I have been leaking small amouts of oil for a couple weeks now and havent been able to find the problem today I went to check my oil and noticed it was alomost completly empty I then looked under my car and there was oil sprayed all the way back to the exhaust as I searched for the source I found a large build up around my pulleys and then I looked and my camshaft seal was where the oil was coming from...........I found a new seal but dont know how hard it will be to do on my own or how much it will cost if I'm not able to do it myself.........any help would be appreciated
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 12:28 PM
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well no one has posted yet but after taking it to a mechanic to find the problem for sure he said that it was the crank seal not the cam seal...........still needs replaced though
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 04:19 PM
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Have fun! If it's the outer, you only have to do what would be required to change a timing belt, and if it's the inner, you'll only have to pull the tranny. I say only because I'm being sarcastic.

Do yourself a favor and do them both-- otherwise, the one you don't change will fail and kill something. My Mitsu had the inner seal fail, pump 2 quarts of oil into the tranny, and kill gears 2 through 4.

If there's other maintenance you need to do (clutch, timing belt, water pump, etc, etc) now's the time. You're gonna have half the engine out, laying in the driveway anyhow.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 08:16 PM
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With in the hell are you talking about? A Cam seal can't leak INTO the tranny. Maybe onto it, but not in it!!!!

Jesus....

Ok, to do it, you're going to have to do as follows.

Turn the motor to TDC. If you don't know how, ask, and I'll follow up.
Then you need to remove your valve cover.
Remove the upper timing belt cover.
Use a sharpie marker, or a white grease pen to mark the timing belt and the cam gear, so you know where they're lining up.
It doesn't matter where you do this. It's just so you know to line up the mark when you put the belt back on.
Now before you take the belt off the cam gear, you're going to want to remove the bolt from the cam gear.
Pull the belt off just the cam gear.
Now you'll have to remove the cam caps.
You'll basically be lifting off all the of the rocker arms and all that jazz as one piece. So lift carefully, and make sure you ahve a clean place to set everything before you pull it off.
Now you can lift the cam shaft out.
Slowly pull the gear from the cam shaft. MAke sure that the key (little metal block to keep the gear from spinning on the cam shaft) doesn't go flying. Now you can pull off the cam seal.
Now reverse the order. If you have problems getting the timing belt to go back on, DO NOT use anything to pry it back on. Down on the timing belt cover, there is a mark to set your timing. Remove the cap directly below that. There is a 12 of 14mm bolt that holds the tensioner. Release that, and it will let you get the timing belt back on. If you have any questions about getting the timing belt lined back up, ask before you start, or you will kick yourself. If it's off by one tooth, your car will run like shit.

Disclaimer: I'm not responsible for you being a dumbass, misenturperting my vauge explaination, or you messing up your car.

Seriously though, any questions, hit me up.
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Bakeoff
With in the hell are you talking about? A Cam seal can't leak INTO the tranny. Maybe onto it, but not in it!!!!

I think he was referring to the crank seal...?

Cam seal is easy. My sister recently drove her 98 Civic LX after the oil light came on, starved the head of oil, the cam got so hot the seal MELTED, and all the oil people kept putting in the engine was just -pouring- out of the cam seal. When removed, it had some metal shavings embedded in it... !! !!

But Honda engines are tough as hell.. that D16Y7 runs like a freaking champ, despite having the whole head at like nuclear temps.
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Bakeoff
With in the hell are you talking about? A Cam seal can't leak INTO the tranny. Maybe onto it, but not in it!!!!

Jesus....
So you just read his first port, then mine, and skipped his second, where it says "after taking it to a mechanic to find the problem for sure he said that it was the crank seal not the cam seal"? 'Cause if so, that's great lookin out.

I'm personally curious as to how he could see oil coming from the camseal, it being under the timing cover and all... you usually find that one out when it oil soaks your timing belt and that breaks. Oil spraying the engine compartment is generally crankseal...
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 07:00 PM
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BWAHAHAHA! My bad! I was scanning through it before work, and saw that he took it to the mechanic, and saw cam seal after that.
Not to split hairs, normally the crank seals are refered to as the front and rear main seals.
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Old Nov 18, 2003 | 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by Bakeoff
BWAHAHAHA! My bad! I was scanning through it before work, and saw that he took it to the mechanic, and saw cam seal after that.
Not to split hairs, normally the crank seals are refered to as the front and rear main seals.
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Old Nov 18, 2003 | 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by sxecrow
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