have any fo you ever been to a dyno, any research?? probably not since YOU sound like ricers, but your all probably 16 and dont have a dime to your names to do a dyno run. any seasoned honda tech knows that intakes are a very good investment for hp gains, oh and liking the sound of secondaries opening up in your intake mani doesnt make you a flamer, oh but u wouldnt know what they are cuz you refered to them as vtec which makes you a unknowledgeable flamer.