Oh, also, I wanted to tell you, Si, the reason I have hung onto the XLCs so long is because I was doing some 'Net surfing and noticed there were a ton of soundoff vehicles---some even competing in the likes of IASCA and USAC---that used XLC subs, believe it or not! Some vehicles had like six XLC 12s, or walls of XLC 15s....some just two XLCs, like in my car...so I figured they couldnt be all that bad....I bought this box off the shelf from a shop my installer friend worked at, the subs already mounted in there, ready to rock.....