When people that own civics and tegs get burned by other civics and tegs, it aint a big deal. Wow...they invested a couple more bucks and they're a little faster. However, from a civic and teg owner's point of view, losing to an accord is something they'll think about. Accord? the 3k pound family car with a mere 150 hp at the crank running 13s? i think that is very highly respectable. I attend tracks on a normal basis and out of 100 civics and tegs that go there, maybe 2 will break 13s. They all stay within the 15s and if lucky, the 14 second range. That is with major cash spent on it too. HEck, if i saw an accord at the track that ran 13s, im sure everybody there would bow down. It is not just the matter of who is faster, but the fact that you do not own a civic or a teg like everybody else in the world, but you own a damn family grocery getter with a million cubic feet of space that weighs 3k pounds, and u beat the smaller cars that weigh less, that was modded to race. I dont kno about you guys, but i personally think anything under 15s is respectable.