well i read in the clubrsx.com forum and some people got it(RSX-s) for 23 out the door brand new. the only thing i dont like about the RSX is that it doesnt come wit HID and like wat fastball said its kinda too high. but those can be fix. i heard there also some problems wit the tranny. my friend got a brand new one and he said there too much probably. something about grinds in the tranny. oh well probably they fixed it for the 03s.