tark no one is really arguing they dont need any planes, its merely they are trying to get more than the air force / pentagon says is even needed at a time when we are in serious budget crisis

you have things like social security on the verge of collapse ... instead of buying these extra planes why not write a check for 200 mil and put it in the social security fund ... if we only need 2 or 3 or 4 planes then get the bare minimum for now and use that extra money to take care of truly important issues.