spoon cams are lame..thats a first..im not going by what a "buddy" of mine told me..im going off several websites..including Spoons own site..the car hasnt been on the dyno yet..because there are still some things that need to be fixed and or corrected before wasting $$ on a dyno...i have never heard of a single product from Spoon being "lame" or not worth the money...but maybe you can write Spoon and express your views seeing how you seem to know so much about them...lol..thanks for all the input