<disappointed smiley here>Seems that your 'moron' comment is excusable around here. Though it was not directed toward me, i thought it was a bit tacky. Hey, but it's your opinion. I would hope that all opinions are treated on equal ground round here. Anyway, hello to all. This forum seems to be filled with great amounts of information. I own an 01' Civic LX and 98' Accord EX. I'm wanting to DIY and learn more about my Hondas. This seems like a great start. .....Off the sub. would anyone preferably use a genuine Honda service manual over a Haynes?