Well I appreciate all the responses, but He said the lowest he could take is $4000, and he said he would give me a bit more for my car on trade in value. But you also have to take in where I live, over in NC older Civics are a rare commodity and they might be a bit more expensive than where you live. KBB says $5400 for all the information I put in so I'll just see where they can get my payments and things.