ok thanks guys. umm who has sites on all the obd stuff cuz thats about the only thing confusin me. and im a die hard teggy fan so iwanted an itr but why nto do it cheaper and use a type r motor im not using any b16as i have a tendency to blow em up pretty bad. and i fell in love with the b18b and c vtec sound. oh and isit a str8 bolt up to the civic motor mounts. ps those kumho melt a lil to easy had a set gone in less then a weak spring for the toyo or p-zero very good investment