im using the one that was in my car. thanks, these are all good thoughts, ill try that stuff tonite. suppossedly honda is sending one of there main techs over to my shop to check it out, but who knows when that will be. ya, im not gonna give on it, way too much fun of a car to drive, itll all be worth it when its done. should scoot pretty good. thanks for your help. just seems like such a weird problem. everyone i talk to is just stumped. itll either be something really stupid,... or real expensive.