thanks for the help guys, any more opinions? I havent always been a honda owner, I had a 98 Mazda MX6 V6 5 sp, I had about everything you could do to that v-6 without turbo/supercharge or internal engine mods. I had pacesetter headers and they were fine, I didnt have any problems with them. My mx-6 was alot faster, but my accord made sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better!