no ass monkey, im not talking about sound...im talking about performance. i personally don't care about the sound. i'd prefer a quieter exhaust, but i'm not going to sacrifice performance for it. The EVO2 yields better gains, period. no matter how large or how small they are, the fact is that it does. little gains add up. say you add an intake that gains 2hp more than another company's, then you add an exhaust that adds 3 hp more than it's competitor, you've got a difference of 5hp. do that 3 or 4 times, with header, pulleys, intake manifold, etc, and those small gains will add up to a noticible gain. another downside to the SP2, it's not good for turbo's. if the guy is planning to turbo down the road, or some other type of forced induction, there's no question, that the EVO2 would be the best choice. better flow=more power...side effect is a little more noise which people like me are more than willing to live with. if you want better than stock, get the SP2, if you want the best, get the EVO2. if all you're going for is sound then you're obviously building the car for the wrong reasons...so let's recap...i build for performance, you build for sound...so who's the poser? and as for "welcome to HAN" i've been here for a while, shut down many a dumbass in my day, score one more for the hometeam...anybody up for some touge?