OK, so the Pioneer's sucked, I tried all wiring combinations, and the same result, NO BASS... Could it be because of the foam layer on the Honda grills is touching the woofer?

I returned the speakers and got different ones just to be sure... Will try and install them tonight. ALso in the process, I lost several clips that hold the grill down in the rear deck...or inbetween the rear deck and the metal.... Oh well....