Originally Posted by Bumnah
So when you see kinks, you're not suppose to iron them out?
If you read all my posts, I said in one previosly that kinks like this can be fixed. They should be but you can't expect things to be done over night. I would rather us error on the catious side than not.
Originally Posted by Bumnah
Isn't it innocent until proven guilty? By the same logic I could end up the list cause I know people who are muslim. You do know at airports you are filtered through different check points depending on your last name. If your name is Muhammed you'll be seeing a different level of security, then Mr. Smith will. See having to deal with going through more security that's one thing, having to prove you're a United States citizen when you get pulled for a broken taillight, yeah not fair in my book. That means because I know a Mr. Muhammed who is muslim, I may get on this list. Okay yeah, that's fair
And better safe than sorry? Jeez man, do you choose not to see the other side of the picture? I'd sure as hell love to see how you'd react if any of your civil liberties are lost.
OK, lets have people attack us again like 9/11. Then they can be guilty. Would you like that
First off you are dead wrong about how you are split up depending on your last name. The checks are random except if there are more than 2 arab men due to be checked. If more than two come up, the extras have to be taken off the list and cannot be checked. I think that is bs but whatever.
Secondly now you are saying people are being put on the list just because of their last name. That is not entirely correct. There are many factors that people are put onto the list and many of which are not knwn to the public.
I see the other side of the picture. I do not agree with that side. I would rather have some civil liberties violated than having thousands of people dying. I have been checked before getting on a plane before. Wow that was a violation of my civil liberities
Give me a ****ing break. The system is not perfect right now but what system is? It is working for us and the longer it is in place the better it will get.
Originally Posted by Bumnah
You know what, if something is taking away the rights of the people, it sure as hell better be able to prove it's effective. I'm surprised you are so accepting of laws that take away civil liberties. Reading your reply, you've said, yeah take away my civil liberties "better safe then sorry", and even if they don't prove to be effective, I'm still cool with that.
You need to take a step back and look at the whole picture.
I have looked at the whole picture. Have we been attacked since we have implemented this? No! Have other countries? ie Russia. They sure were.You are acting like this is the red scare all over again. Why don't you look at the whole picture and realize that if you want safety you have to give up something.
Here maybe you will understand this. You may want to leave your windows in your car open when you park it. If you do that you leave it open for risk of being stolen more so than if they were closed. Can you leave them open? Sure. Are you at more risk. Definetly. Closing them will make your car safer when you leave. Is it an inconvience to you if you want to leave your car for a few minutes and then get back in and drive off and not have to worry about opening the windows again. Sure. (If you can't understand the analogy, the car is america, and the windows being down is not having security, whereas the windows up is the security that we have now)