I also just have to add about the MR2 The Mr2 died in the US for good. What is what they have now? An Mr-s edition, it carries no 2 liter turbo, theyre only offered in a 1.8 NA and they are WEAK. As for motor sizes, that means nothing, I have some muscle in my garage so I know what fast is. But in my Lude I have raped a fare share of V-8s, mostly irocs and fox body stangs, and although I havent annihilated I have beat so new gt stangs as well. Oh yea, Ive also smoked smokey and the bandit. (a kid I know with a 400 big block late 70s trans am, but they are smogged like crazy) All in all a really attractive car that handles like a dream and beats some v-8 in factory state out of a four banger with honda build solid reliability, I jsut dont understand why the Lude didnt succeed. Another side note though, as far as the "gt" cars dying, didnt the US pass a ban on twin turbo vehicles? I may be wrong though