You'll all be happy to know I have decided to get the Lude (I think...). Thanks PretecSH you are right is was 5th Gen Lude vs. GSR, I have no idea how the ITR got involved. If it was between Lude and ITR I would go with the ITR ('00-'01), but that is more money than I want to spend. My main reasons for deciding on the Lude is more low end torque and nicer and quieter ride (I drive about 50 miles each way to work each day and my 3rd Gen Lude is kind of Loud at 70mph). Thanks guys for all the help hopefully I will be getting my Lude soon, I will keep you all updated! OH and isn't it BRYANT GUMBLE, either way it's still funny???