There you go. What you pay $28k for is the lightweight feel and handling from an otherwise heavy AWD car that makes more power than 2 Civic EX's combined. That thing will chew up and spit out any brand new civic for, of course, more than a civic costs because it's a lot more car.

Reliability? Are you shopping for a race car or an economy car?

I don't believe you've test driven one, or you wouldn't have used it in the same post. I gotta throw a :bs: on that one.

There simply is no comparison. That Evo will tripple-bus-length your civic off the line, and pass your civic on the inside lane of an exit ramp sideways while your civic understeers. If you didn't allow the room, the EVO could pass you on the grass and still keep traction, leaving you going "that bastard just showered my car with dirt and gravel!"

Like I said before, be careful which car you compare a civic to. A civic doesn't compare to an EVO in any way except that they both come in a 4-door and have 4 cylinders. In no way is a civic built to be a rally car. I wonder why Honda doesn't compete in WRC? Hmmmm.

Your DSM's handling is all because it's wrong-wheel drive. The whole chassis is different. The brakes are smaller. The gas tank is in a different spot, and is a different size and shape. Everything behind the rear seat is different. The ECU is governed, the options package is different. ABS is not standard equipment. Neither is leather, or the 220w 6-speaker Infinity audio system with CD changer, or cruise controll, though most of them had that anyway. There's no such thing as a "top of the line" FWD model. If you don't believe me, look up the option codes of your VIN # and see which ones are GS-T's. Sell that thing while you still can and get what you want.

Bottom line of this thread = you get what you pay for. If you want real performance, it costs money. I don't think there's anything at all that's EVO-like about any new civic's handling. That's just ludicrous. Brakes? NO! Wheels? NO! AWD? NO! Turbocharged +276hp? NO! ANY standard racing parts? NO! Discounting its power just means you completely missed the greatest aspect of the whole car and aren't willing to admit it's actually far superior. Whether that's because you don't need it or you're afraid of it, I dunno.

My first reply was that you're just old enough to be complaining about a DSM. I'm stickin' with that. 40's not too old for a civic if that's all you need. You need to stop comparing civics to non-FWD economy cars like BMers, EVO's, Benz's (that people on this board own) saying it's superior. That's moronic. And you're wrong. If you think your civic is a EVO, then why tell us that? I know better anyway.

It's SOOOOOO time for this thread to die. I don't know what you're trying to prove, but it's not based on fact.