Originally Posted by Black2000GSR

I think we're talking about sex outside of marriage here. I'm sure if the girl was married when she had sex, and then her husband died, he wouldn't hold it against her. That's not being "stubborn, unforgiving, jealous, and not having enough confidence." That's having values. The problem is, as time goes by, people tend to lose their values and rather than having extramarital sex be taboo, it flips to where anyone who still holds their values is "stubborn"