Why can't people get past their biases for Honda and admit that there are some cars out there that are faster? If their honda doesn't have low end torque, its not necessary and any car that have it sucks, despite what the laws of physics would tell us. People comparing the slowest Mustang to a turbo h22 civic hatch running 15 lbs of boost is not going to be an interesting race, and it doesn't mean that all Civics are faster than all mustangs!!