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Old Jan 2, 2004 | 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by ludeboom
u forget that hondas are like legos
or at least thats my analogy

unlike a VW
swapping a bigger motor (ie. a V6) is not the best route to go
this is because honda inline 4's make more power than their V6 counterparts
i saw a LS-Vtec civic hatch run a 14.1 at the track the other day, granted it was spoon powered but thats not at all bad for a small displacement 4 cylinder.

the main point is power to weight.
you could have gobs of torque in your 3600 lb camaro or mustang
but when matched with a 2400 lb civic with 200 HP and 161 TQ (h22 swap) the math makes my case

most of the late model Z28's and camaro SS's i saw at the track were running consistent mid 14's with an occasional low 14
there were 5.7's and 4.6's running some good times under 13 but those guys obviously had more serious engine mods.
unfortunately the condition of the track was also playing a role in the performance of everyone there, so i would take a few tenths off those times i quoted. the launchpad was ****ed up concrete with gravel scattered on it, and every time a pro-stock or top fuel car was staging ahead of me, the front of my car got pelted with gravel.
and the evo 7 that was there bested at 14.1 with the spoon LS-Vtec civi.
all in all it was a humbling experience for the handful of people that were there, especially when this dude with a fairlady 300ZX showed up an ran a startling 11.7 at 130ish.

~boom
I didn't realize that the Honda 4cyls were a better powerplant then the V6. Is the pool for R&D not as good on the 6 cyls?

The power to weight idea is something to keep in mind when swapping a motor but with the powerplants available for a Mustang, that isn't so much of an issue when you're looking at big block power or 351 power. IE A 460 big block puts out 530hp and 520 lb/ft of torque for an extra 300 lbs of weight (NA of course.) The motor costs $5895 MSRP and you can also get a built 351 for about the same price. Then it becomes a game of how much fuel do you want to burn! Ford just released a new "cammer" 5.0 V8 (puts out approx 400+ horses) for hot rods and things but at the tune of $19,000 I think they are going to sell way more 351's! Guess we paid for the reasearch.

I guess your driving terrain will influence what kind of power you go for. There are a number of hills o the roads up this way so when I look at engine options I think low end torque is going to be a big factor. Who knows, I haven't decided on engine work yet. This year will be a suspension upgrade to cure the back end issues and weak bushings.