Now this is funny Sick Honda,, your dealer is trying to rip you for trying to fix your car?? Tell me something,, do you work for free?? Does your Boss man,, expect you to show up for work and tell you,, dont punch in yet,, I want you to work for the next 30 to 45 min off the clock,, then punch in,, What would you say??? I bet its,,' No way",, but , you see,, thats what you are asking the dealer to do?? Your asking them to take a mechanic off the clock, look at your car, find out the problem, go to the parts counter, get him to work for free and look up the parts, go to the service advisor, ask him to punch off the clock, and look up labor times and THEN if you decide to get the work done, you want a guarntee..As a flat rate mechanic, meaning, I get paid to look at cars and repair them,, the shop dont charge you,, I dont get paid along with everyone else,, I know what your problem is with your car,, Guess what,, since you think Im gonna rip you off, Geeeze guys like you really piss me off,, you expect me to take time out of my life to serve you for free after all the hours I put myself into training and the thousands of dollars I have to spend on tools every year, out of my own pocket, just for you to think My dealer is ripping you off by charging you money to correct a problem with your car??Im not gonna tell ya