Looking for more feedback on my suspension setup
Well youre in street mod anyway because of your swap. Even if youre thinking more about road racing, try an autocross, you may find it more fun and its definitely WAY cheaper.
Sounds to me your suspension has all the right parts, and if it works for you, then youre about set. But since you'll be in street mod anyway, the most useful enhancement I can think of at this point would be an LSD (if you don't already have it). Even with my pitiful 92 hp and terrible gearing, I can feel how an LSD would help me around the course. With your B18c, it would seem almost like a no-brainer (that is, if youve got the money--i certainly don't)
My $.02
BTW... Last week I got really bored and acutally read your life story
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Sounds to me your suspension has all the right parts, and if it works for you, then youre about set. But since you'll be in street mod anyway, the most useful enhancement I can think of at this point would be an LSD (if you don't already have it). Even with my pitiful 92 hp and terrible gearing, I can feel how an LSD would help me around the course. With your B18c, it would seem almost like a no-brainer (that is, if youve got the money--i certainly don't)
My $.02
BTW... Last week I got really bored and acutally read your life story
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You did say this is going to be a road race car.
NOW-what class were you considering? For improved Touring or Honda Challenge there are few things that you will need to reconsider. One is that you are allowed only 1 tie bar on each end of the car-most of us use the upper ones. You are NOT allowed to do anything very trick with the control arms- to make them adjustable. The exception is that you can use shims and eccentric bushings.
Good choice for the sway bar bushings and endlinks-poly works very well. Bad choice for a beginner is to do a full ES poly kit up front-for that matter you don't need it that stiff. Redoing the rear is fine. Both my CRX and former Civic were done in back and turned great.
Why would you want traction bars on a road racing front wheel drive car-great for drag. This is unnecessary added weight and will not be approved for the class.
My focus here is road racing with SCCA and NASA. Get the rulebooks and be very careful in what you decide to do-research is important. In this regard-IT only allows Skunk2 or Ground Control sleeves with your choice of springs and shocks-no "threaded body" shocks are allowed.
There is another form of road racing that several organizations do-the events are called HPDE track days and you can bring just about any car. It only has to pass their safety inspection.
Happy racing
NOW-what class were you considering? For improved Touring or Honda Challenge there are few things that you will need to reconsider. One is that you are allowed only 1 tie bar on each end of the car-most of us use the upper ones. You are NOT allowed to do anything very trick with the control arms- to make them adjustable. The exception is that you can use shims and eccentric bushings.
Good choice for the sway bar bushings and endlinks-poly works very well. Bad choice for a beginner is to do a full ES poly kit up front-for that matter you don't need it that stiff. Redoing the rear is fine. Both my CRX and former Civic were done in back and turned great.
Why would you want traction bars on a road racing front wheel drive car-great for drag. This is unnecessary added weight and will not be approved for the class.
My focus here is road racing with SCCA and NASA. Get the rulebooks and be very careful in what you decide to do-research is important. In this regard-IT only allows Skunk2 or Ground Control sleeves with your choice of springs and shocks-no "threaded body" shocks are allowed.
There is another form of road racing that several organizations do-the events are called HPDE track days and you can bring just about any car. It only has to pass their safety inspection.
Happy racing
In street mod you will see $$$ poured into cars. I've seen BMW 318TIs with M3 swaps and turbos. I've seen a $50,000 Cobb Tuning WRX. Sometimes money wins
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Originally posted by CivicSiRacer
In street mod you will see $$$ poured into cars. I've seen BMW 318TIs with M3 swaps and turbos. I've seen a $50,000 Cobb Tuning WRX. Sometimes money wins
In street mod you will see $$$ poured into cars. I've seen BMW 318TIs with M3 swaps and turbos. I've seen a $50,000 Cobb Tuning WRX. Sometimes money wins
Yes, there are definitely some VERY prepared cars in SM, but you shouldn't let that throw you off. We've all seen what a mostly stock civic with a good driver behind the wheel is capable of. CivicSiRacer comes to mind... Likewise, theres an STS '89 Si in RMD/Colo Region that consistently runs times that would put it mid/upper pack in SM. Once last summer, that same guy ran a the FTD of any non-mod/fiberglass V8 special. I think a well balanced honda with a decent powerplant and an LSD is a pretty appropriate SM car as long as the driver is up to the task. Heck, thats what I'm planning to do.
i got the traction bars cause i take the hatch to the drag strip since it's the only close by track of any kind.
the traction bars are at zero so I doubt they are doing anything to affect either way.
I haven't really checked the rules for road racing. I know I'd like to gear it more towards that than anything.
When I started working on the suspension I wanted to improve the way it handled and didn't focus on any type of racing.
Thanks for the replies...
One question though what's wrong with the polyurethane bushings in the front?
the traction bars are at zero so I doubt they are doing anything to affect either way.
I haven't really checked the rules for road racing. I know I'd like to gear it more towards that than anything.
When I started working on the suspension I wanted to improve the way it handled and didn't focus on any type of racing.
Thanks for the replies...
One question though what's wrong with the polyurethane bushings in the front?
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Isn't that the yellow one with the huge fenders? I think I saw that in a magazine once.
Isn't that the yellow one with the huge fenders? I think I saw that in a magazine once.
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There is nothing wrong with the poly bushings in front for drag racing or dailiy driving-excet they WILL squeak a lot eventually. The issue with them deals with how stiff the suspension is versus rubber bushings and how the car will turn in corners. Keep this in mind and learn what the car is doing. I agree that doing some autocross might be a better way to start out. There a a lot of them every weekend.
SCCA and NASA, along with other groups, have track events of various kinds. I do Pocono and The Glen with PDA (www.imp-auto.com) and will be doing events on those tracks with both NASA and SCCA in the future as well. Doing an HPDE-track day with instructor is an excellent activity and does not stress your car the same as the other types of events. Why-glad you asked-it is a school and you are not forced to run harder than your ability allows.
Traction bars-they have been used for years on the drag strip and are a proven device, mainly on rear wheel drive cars. They ar also beneficial for front wheel drive drag cars with high horsepower numbers. Most road race cars do not have them as an add on and many classes do not allow them to begin with. Autocross rules are a different matter and you need to research what is permitted.
Long answer to your. Have a great holiday and happy racing
SCCA and NASA, along with other groups, have track events of various kinds. I do Pocono and The Glen with PDA (www.imp-auto.com) and will be doing events on those tracks with both NASA and SCCA in the future as well. Doing an HPDE-track day with instructor is an excellent activity and does not stress your car the same as the other types of events. Why-glad you asked-it is a school and you are not forced to run harder than your ability allows.
Traction bars-they have been used for years on the drag strip and are a proven device, mainly on rear wheel drive cars. They ar also beneficial for front wheel drive drag cars with high horsepower numbers. Most road race cars do not have them as an add on and many classes do not allow them to begin with. Autocross rules are a different matter and you need to research what is permitted.
Long answer to your. Have a great holiday and happy racing
in think the best modification you can do for your car is the driver...take some schools and get practice...most schools prefer the driver to start out with a stock car (as it is factory tuned for understeer and has a much clearer limit so the instructor can fine tune the students skills). Starting with a highly modified car makes it harder as the stucent must know how to tune the suspension of his car and that means lots of trial and error as every car is different (hence the preference for a non modified car)


