Discuss.

It's not like they destroyed them. They moved them inside the rotunda. Plus, I feel religion shouldn't really have anything to do with govt. It gets too messy when it does.

 

Exactly. They're words that any person should be able to live by no matter what your religion, but to force your beliefs on someone else is against everything in the 1st amendment. Take the damn things out. That judge for saying "I will stand by my God" should be stripped of his office for not keeping with the seperation of church and state.

 

I agree that it gets messy. We all know that religion ruled over communities and countries when these laws were written, yadda yadda yadda... The outstanding factor is that the majority of the country holds faith to some higher power. And therefore, "God" relates to A LOT of people. And since there is a massive Christian base in this country, people get freaked out when someone wants to do something as arbitrary as moving the commandments to another location. When I think about it, It sounds childish. If you truly hold a faith, then you hold nothing material as holy. I think today's Christians forget that.

 

Plus.. they're making a big stink about the ten commandments. No one's perfect... and I doubt there was a single person in the crowd of protesters infront of the court that followed each and everyone of the ten commandments

 

also true. good point.

 

The thing that bothers me is that this country was founded on Christian principles and our laws were written to reflect the same. When you testify in court you place your hand on the bible, not the Koran...although some courts are getting away from this. I believe that there should be a seperation between church and state and am a strong supporter of that...I just do not feel that displaying the Ten Commandments, the Christian laws, to reflect our country's laws basis in them constitutes a situation where Church and State are not seperate.

 

True.. it was founded with Chrstian beliefs... but they came here looking for religious freedom. And it eventualy became so any religion could be practiced freely without risk of being condemed. And if you want to get REALLY technical. The first religion here wasn't Christianity. Native American spirtuality, including, hunting taboos, animal ceremonialism, beliefs in spirits, and shamanism. The beliefs and practices of many groups are borrowed from other native groups, and when the reservations came about... maybe even before that, when the first English settlers came, there was also a significant infusion of Christianity, and more recently, New Age beliefs.

I don't see a Payote (sp?) Plant infront of any courthouse.

If that comes off rude.. I don't mean it to. Just stating a fact.

One of the reasons America was founded was for the desire of religious freedom.

 

I will agree that Native American Spirituality was the first form(s) of religion in what is today the USA...however it was not what the USA was founded on. Which, to answer your question, is why there is not a Payote plant in front of every court house. But to be honest if our Constitution and laws were based of Native American Spirituality and the Payote plant was used to symbolize the laws roots in it, I would not care at all.

If a judge basis a ruling on the basis of his or her own personal religous beliefs, that is not seperating Church and State. However as long as Judge Roy Moore can rule from the bench with an open mind and by the rule of law, and not from his Christian beliefs what harm is being done by displaying the 10 Commandments to reflect our laws basis in them? What should that matter on your case before him if he is not using it against you or to judge against you?

 

It has nothing to do with the case or the Judge... It is a sign of the government's endorsement of a religion.

 

How so? So then the Constitution must also be a sign of the governments endorsment of a religion because it is based on Christian principles. You do not see American laws based on the principles of other faiths such as Judaism, Muslim, Arab, or Budhist unless those principles happen to coincide with Christianity.