Airbag? racing Harnesses?
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We're talking fabrication here. IMO.
In Oakland, go to Conversion Techniques off of Bigge Ave. Ask for Dave if he's still there. They're Sparco reps- very friendly and helpful.
BTW, the clip in harness mounts re use the stock mounts for the lap belt; you have various options about how to mount the shoulder harness and optional anti-sub strap. Some require a roll bar with harness crossmembers, others will force you to sacrifice the use of your rear seats to accomodate the harness. The quys at Conversion Techniques will help sort this out for ya.
In Oakland, go to Conversion Techniques off of Bigge Ave. Ask for Dave if he's still there. They're Sparco reps- very friendly and helpful.
BTW, the clip in harness mounts re use the stock mounts for the lap belt; you have various options about how to mount the shoulder harness and optional anti-sub strap. Some require a roll bar with harness crossmembers, others will force you to sacrifice the use of your rear seats to accomodate the harness. The quys at Conversion Techniques will help sort this out for ya.
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Originally posted by NorCal DC4
Okay, when I used my Sparco Sprint seats in the Suzuki Swift GTi, I used the 3" belts w/ snap-in mountings. I had to fabricate my own mounts out of 1/4" steel- welded- and use ASE fasteners to bolt the seats to the bases. So if you stick with FIA certified seats and hardware (I doubt you'll need to fabricate mounts) you should be fine.
About airbags: Federal law prohibits the removal of airbags. But the law is rarely enforced-usually. Keep this in mind. I had passive seatbelts in the Suzuki, I ditched them in favor of the Sparco harnesses, and never had any trouble with the law.
Regarding the safety of racing harnesses: Spend money on quality, FIA-certified 3" belts. Keep them comfortably snug when in the car. The belts should not have any slack in them while you are driving, because if you get in a bad wreck, you want the belts to restrain your body as the car decelerates. If the belts are slack, you will be injured as the loose belts "catch" your torso-resulting in bad bruises, possibly broken bones.
So all in all, buy quality and use the harnesses correctly and you will be at least as safe as stock, if not more so.
Hope I helped.
Dave
Okay, when I used my Sparco Sprint seats in the Suzuki Swift GTi, I used the 3" belts w/ snap-in mountings. I had to fabricate my own mounts out of 1/4" steel- welded- and use ASE fasteners to bolt the seats to the bases. So if you stick with FIA certified seats and hardware (I doubt you'll need to fabricate mounts) you should be fine.
About airbags: Federal law prohibits the removal of airbags. But the law is rarely enforced-usually. Keep this in mind. I had passive seatbelts in the Suzuki, I ditched them in favor of the Sparco harnesses, and never had any trouble with the law.
Regarding the safety of racing harnesses: Spend money on quality, FIA-certified 3" belts. Keep them comfortably snug when in the car. The belts should not have any slack in them while you are driving, because if you get in a bad wreck, you want the belts to restrain your body as the car decelerates. If the belts are slack, you will be injured as the loose belts "catch" your torso-resulting in bad bruises, possibly broken bones.
So all in all, buy quality and use the harnesses correctly and you will be at least as safe as stock, if not more so.
Hope I helped.
Dave
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Re: Airbag? racing Harnesses?
Originally posted by lil_1_2002
My friend told me that its not recommended..being as how the stock seats give a little bit before they lock...and the harnesses keep you strapped all the way....so in a big colission your body wont give...but your neck will causing some serious damage? anyone info or thoughs on this guys??
My friend told me that its not recommended..being as how the stock seats give a little bit before they lock...and the harnesses keep you strapped all the way....so in a big colission your body wont give...but your neck will causing some serious damage? anyone info or thoughs on this guys??
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Coming from experience I can tell you don't do harnesses without a rollbar. If you want a rollbar you can get one from Autopower which is a company that makes pre-fabbed ones and they bolt in or weld in. I got mine from ioport.com for like $250.
As for padding my bar doesn't need it, my seats don't recline and when strapped in there isn't even any way I could touch the bar, so padding would be useless. If you notice the bolsters of the seats aren't too far from touching...
If you want to install one yourself you can read how I did mine at...
http://www.fourthgenhatch.com/rollbar.html
As for padding my bar doesn't need it, my seats don't recline and when strapped in there isn't even any way I could touch the bar, so padding would be useless. If you notice the bolsters of the seats aren't too far from touching...
If you want to install one yourself you can read how I did mine at...
http://www.fourthgenhatch.com/rollbar.html
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The removable bar will fail tech inspection most likely. Again, consult the pros at the shop I mentioned. Your safety is of paramount concern to a few more dollars.
Also it was Dale Earnhardt who died, when his car went into the #4 turn wall at Daytona. He hit the wall nearly perpendicular, after losing traction running down low in turn 3. He collided with the CMU track wall at well over 120 mph; he died of cerebral hemmorage resulting from a lack of proper restraint at the head. The HANS (Head And Neck Support) device is now mandatory as a result of Earnhardt's crash - it was reccomended before.
My point is to recreate the same conditions in 1/4 mile racing, you'll be forced to wear a helmet and install a full cage before the techs at Infineon / Sears Point ever let you run.
Don't skimp on safety. Please.
Also it was Dale Earnhardt who died, when his car went into the #4 turn wall at Daytona. He hit the wall nearly perpendicular, after losing traction running down low in turn 3. He collided with the CMU track wall at well over 120 mph; he died of cerebral hemmorage resulting from a lack of proper restraint at the head. The HANS (Head And Neck Support) device is now mandatory as a result of Earnhardt's crash - it was reccomended before.
My point is to recreate the same conditions in 1/4 mile racing, you'll be forced to wear a helmet and install a full cage before the techs at Infineon / Sears Point ever let you run.
Don't skimp on safety. Please.
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Originally posted by NorCal DC4
Also it was Dale Earnhardt who died, when his car went into the #4 turn wall at Daytona. He hit the wall nearly perpendicular, after losing traction running down low in turn 3. He collided with the CMU track wall at well over 120 mph; he died of cerebral hemmorage resulting from a lack of proper restraint at the head. The HANS (Head And Neck Support) device is now mandatory as a result of Earnhardt's crash - it was reccomended before.
Also it was Dale Earnhardt who died, when his car went into the #4 turn wall at Daytona. He hit the wall nearly perpendicular, after losing traction running down low in turn 3. He collided with the CMU track wall at well over 120 mph; he died of cerebral hemmorage resulting from a lack of proper restraint at the head. The HANS (Head And Neck Support) device is now mandatory as a result of Earnhardt's crash - it was reccomended before.