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Old 08-04-2011, 06:44 PM
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Consider one crucial measure, the ratio of employment to population. In June 2007, around 63 percent of adults were employed. In June 2009, the official end of the recession, that number was down to 59.4. As of June 2011, two years into the alleged recovery, the number was: 58.2.

These may sound like dry statistics, but they reflect a truly terrible reality. Not only are vast numbers of Americans unemployed or underemployed, for the first time since the Great Depression many American workers are facing the prospect of very-long-term — maybe permanent — unemployment. Among other things, the rise in long-term unemployment will reduce future government revenues, so we’re not even acting sensibly in purely fiscal terms. But, more important, it’s a human catastrophe.

And why should we be surprised at this catastrophe? Where was growth supposed to come from? Consumers, still burdened by the debt that they ran up during the housing bubble, aren’t ready to spend. Businesses see no reason to expand given the lack of consumer demand. And thanks to that deficit obsession, government, which could and should be supporting the economy in its time of need, has been pulling back.

Now it looks as if it’s all about to get even worse. So what’s the response?

To turn this disaster around, a lot of people are going to have to admit, to themselves at least, that they’ve been wrong and need to change their priorities, right away.

Of course, some players won’t change. Republicans won’t stop screaming about the deficit because they weren’t sincere in the first place: Their deficit hawkery was a club with which to beat their political opponents, nothing more — as became obvious whenever any rise in taxes on the rich was suggested. And they’re not going to give up that club.

But the policy disaster of the past two years wasn’t just the result of G.O.P. obstructionism, which wouldn’t have been so effective if the policy elite — including at least some senior figures in the Obama administration — hadn’t agreed that deficit reduction, not job creation, should be our main priority. Nor should we let Ben Bernanke and his colleagues off the hook: The Fed has by no means done all it could, partly because it was more concerned with hypothetical inflation than with real unemployment, partly because it let itself be intimidated by the Ron Paul types.
Read the full article from Paul Krugman here!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/op...g-worries.html
Old 08-04-2011, 08:04 PM
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:21 PM
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Ah, a lot of GOP bashing going on in here.

It's not like we just reached 100% of GDP as debt, and the major credit rating agencies were warning that we need to put it down to 75% by 2015 or they will cut our credit rating... and then we spent 7 trillion more in the next 10 years.

yeah, the GOP is totally saying cut spending just to be obstructionist. also, they are racist.
Old 08-04-2011, 09:19 PM
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:52 PM
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Simply put, you can't:
a) go to war and cut taxes at the same time (G.W.Bush: Iraq 2003).
b) bail out incompetent lenders and expect them to reform (Paulson, G.W. Bush: AIG, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan, et al., 2008).
c) ignore job creation to focus on a reform bill that in the end, renders health-insurance damn-near unaffordable (Pelosi / Reid / Obama: 2009).

Neither party is free from blame.

Iraq was an obscenely expensive war. And under GW Bush, the SEC was essentially non-functional.
The Wall Street bailout ought never have happened; too big to fail is simply too big to exist.
And before anyone accuses me of being socialist, I remind you, Standard Oil was broken up according to the terms of GOP-drafted legislation.

The biggest problem we've got is a congenital lack of statesmanship.
Krugman is right to call out Boehner and Cantor: they used our sovereign debt as a cudgel.
And Obama has been administrating like Mr. Magoo; he sees strength in his willingness to compromise.
The founding fathers never intended that; neither does the Constitution.

I'd write more, but my stomach is churning. I'm literally seeing red.
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:57 PM
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I dont have much to say on the topic since I am pretty ignorant on it...but catching a ToD grammatical error is like finding a unicorn encrusted with diamonds pooping more diamonds
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Originally Posted by b00gers
I dont have much to say on the topic since I am pretty ignorant on it...but catching a ToD grammatical error is like finding a unicorn encrusted with diamonds pooping more diamonds
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Fucking autocorrect... more like "wild-ass guess, possibly in English."
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Old 08-04-2011, 10:50 PM
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Bottom line - politicians are worthless scum bags. It's time for torches and pitchforks. Except my torch will be an AR-15 and my pitchfork will be another AR-15.
Old 08-05-2011, 05:16 AM
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There are solutions to solve this crap... but it depends on people not being greedy selfish scum bags... and it borders on communisim.
Old 08-05-2011, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by b00gers
I dont have much to say on the topic since I am pretty ignorant on it...but catching a ToD grammatical error is like finding a unicorn encrusted with diamonds pooping more diamonds
I'm right there with you buddy. Does a part of you wish you were more educated on it so you could give more of an opnion/care more? I do, but then the other half tells me that ignorance is bliss and reminds me of a zen thought "If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are."



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