and with scientific research done by many scientists in the past and current, the time allotted for a singe cell to evolve into a "creature" and then further evolve into what is now the current human beings and animals is supposed to require much more time than the age of the earth believed in the science books. and on the subject of the earth's age, science has changed the age of the earth several million years since i was 10yrs old and now 23. what gives?

understood. and i was simply refuting since there seemed to be several very literal people replying.

ok, i admit, maybe the whole "emotion" subject was not so fitting either. but how are humans different from all other animals? lets take the dog as the given example. dogs interact. yes. dogs can somewhat "feel" happy/sad/hunger/neglect. can dogs advance within the "dog society"? no. they are primal animals only doing the very basic necessities to survive. kiss up to the "human owner" to be fed? sure. be nice and learn commands to be in turn pampered? sure. but they cannot and will never advance any further in any stage. humans have, can, and will always be able to advance within not just our human society but in all aspects of this world as well. we have the capacity to think and create to help ourselves and to some extent, create luxury much more excessive than our basic needs. we educate and be educated. we dont just "exist", we live.

i never said that just because "you" dont believe in what i believe, that, that is grounds for falsehood. i have brought up the issue of "souls" in an attempt to bring up maybe something that can spark another grounds of debate for both sides.

 

yo man, youre a cool guy, but thats a little close minded. this thread was from the very beginning related to religion, regardless if you or anyone else believed it or not. maybe this thread should be moved to the "on topic" forum, but just because you disagree with the Bible, does not mean it is grounds for closure of a thread.

 

In scientific circles the age of the Earth is understood to be about 4 billion years. Seems like plenty of time for an ameba to become an antelope if you ask me. The reason the age of the Earth keeps getting extended further back in time is that we don't know exactly how old the Earth is. 4 billion years is the current calculation, when the age was quoted as less that was the current calculation based on available evidence.
So dogs (and other animals) are more basic than us. No, there is no grand canine society that we don't know about. They're still self-aware. What exactly is the difference between existing and living? Is living just a refinement of existence? Oh crap, that's a huge philosophical debate...but I'm leaving it in the post just because it's at least worth mentioning.
What I meant was that you use your faith as a premise in your logic. Faith isn't a universally accepted truth so that premise is automatically brought into doubt. That's all I meant, not that I believe one thing and you believe another. Just that faith is not a good thing to use in a logical argument where you're trying to prove something.

 

"seems like plenty of time" doesnt cut it mike. :dunno: and given the benefit of the doubt of that semantics, i personally think that 4billion is still not enough time for an amoeba to become an antelope or cheetah or a monkey.

a rock exists. it has physical presence. a human has life for it has a soul. again, maybe this is just a matter of semantics, i :dunno: but yeah, i think this particular issue will only turn into a philosophical debate....but then again, when comparing religion to other theories, i dont see how it can be avoided....oh well. *shrug*
i agree partially. i shouldnt use my "faith" as the sole basis of an argument, for then it can never be defended nor attacked. but it can neither be excluded from this subject of debate.

 

If amino acids or small organisms were deposited on Earth by meteor activity, as has been suggested, there is no telling how advanced the organisms were when they arrived.

 

bah, this is turning into one of those arguments where neither side knows what they are talking about and we are all just repeating crap that we hear from different places. I want a priest and a scientist to sit down and settle this!

 

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Why do you write God like that?

What is so impossible about the Earth being about 10 thousand years old? Just because you've heard that its 60,000,000,000 years old (or whatever) throughout your childhood, and your whole life up to now have you come to accept it as the truth?

They have actually done a timeline from Adam and Eve to Jesus and have speculated that the Earth is arond 10,000 years old. Though Evolution is way more publicized then Creation is..

Which is horribly wrong, because in school when evolution is taught it conflicts with Christian's beliefs. So when a kid/teenager absorbs the information as he/she sees fit all that winds up happening is confusing the kid about his/her own Christian faith and weakens it. Since when was Adam a monkey?

 

I might get owned on this but if I remember correctly Jews believe that you shouldn't say God's name.

It is not the state's job to teach children religion. If their parents can't handle it then they should talk to the church.

 

It shouldn't be the state's job to teach children evolution. Evolution is a theory and therefor requires a sort of faith to believe in since it isn't proven. That makes it a form of religion.