why against war?
Originally posted by MrFatBooty
Probably some kind of conspiracy theory. I would encourage people on both sides of the issue to use more credible information.
Probably some kind of conspiracy theory. I would encourage people on both sides of the issue to use more credible information.
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Originally posted by MrFatBooty
Osama bin Laden started--and still runs--Al Qaeda. Any ties between Al Qaeda and Saddam if they even exist at all, are minimal at best.
I find it highly doubtful that any sort of credible news agency would claim that Saddam started Al Qaeda.
It is easy to make the association because both Saddam and bin Laden are both arabs and both don't like the USA, but that's merely a coincidence.
Osama bin Laden started--and still runs--Al Qaeda. Any ties between Al Qaeda and Saddam if they even exist at all, are minimal at best.
I find it highly doubtful that any sort of credible news agency would claim that Saddam started Al Qaeda.
It is easy to make the association because both Saddam and bin Laden are both arabs and both don't like the USA, but that's merely a coincidence.
With that said(and myself not divulging any classified information), it is definately possible and highly probable that one or more of those same Al Queda(or equivalent, Al Queda isn't the only one. just the one that the news broadcasts to the world.) terrorist cells could be/is working with the Hussein regime to carry out attacks on US, or our allies' interests using weapons of mass destruction or improvised weapons of mass destruction. While there may or may not be any direct connection between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, the fact still remains that neither of them is or has been in complete control of their regime/network(respectively) and there are other high level members of their regime/network that call the shots too.
edit: In short, it's most likely not a connection between Osama and Saddam individually, but more like a connection between [insert your favorite terrorist cell here] and the regime that Saddam is(or was at this point
) the leader of.
Originally posted by MrFatBooty
I was talking about g2tegls's post, not yours...
I was talking about g2tegls's post, not yours...
h: But actually the same principle still applies but if hes arguing his view then credible sources would be a very important factor in this case.
I'm out.
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"President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara told the Amewrican public there was an attack by North Vietnamese torpedo boats on American destroyers. 'While on routine patrol in international waters,' McNamara said, 'the U.S. destoyer Maddox undewent an unprovoked attack.' It later turned out that the Gulf of Tonkin episode was a fake, that the highest American officials had lied to the public - just as they had in the invasion of Cuba under Kennedy. In fact, the CIA had engaged in a secret operation attacking North Vietnamese coastal installations--so if there had been an attack it would not have been 'unprovoked.' It was not a 'routine patrol,' because the Maddox was on a special electronic spying mission. And it was not in international waters but in Vietnamese territorial waters. It turned out that no torpedos were fired at the Maddox, as McNamara said. Another reported attack on another destroyer, two nights later, which Johnson called 'open aggression on the high seas,' seems also to have been an invention."
-Zinn, Howard. A People's History of the United States. p476
BTW, I realize that "stage" was a bad word to use. I meant invent, but I figured you'd get the point anyway.
-Zinn, Howard. A People's History of the United States. p476
BTW, I realize that "stage" was a bad word to use. I meant invent, but I figured you'd get the point anyway.
Originally posted by g2tegls
"President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara told the Amewrican public there was an attack by North Vietnamese torpedo boats on American destroyers. 'While on routine patrol in international waters,' McNamara said, 'the U.S. destoyer Maddox undewent an unprovoked attack.' It later turned out that the Gulf of Tonkin episode was a fake, that the highest American officials had lied to the public - just as they had in the invasion of Cuba under Kennedy. In fact, the CIA had engaged in a secret operation attacking North Vietnamese coastal installations--so if there had been an attack it would not have been 'unprovoked.' It was not a 'routine patrol,' because the Maddox was on a special electronic spying mission. And it was not in international waters but in Vietnamese territorial waters. It turned out that no torpedos were fired at the Maddox, as McNamara said. Another reported attack on another destroyer, two nights later, which Johnson called 'open aggression on the high seas,' seems also to have been an invention."
-Zinn, Howard. A People's History of the United States. p476
BTW, I realize that "stage" was a bad word to use. I meant invent, but I figured you'd get the point anyway.
"President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara told the Amewrican public there was an attack by North Vietnamese torpedo boats on American destroyers. 'While on routine patrol in international waters,' McNamara said, 'the U.S. destoyer Maddox undewent an unprovoked attack.' It later turned out that the Gulf of Tonkin episode was a fake, that the highest American officials had lied to the public - just as they had in the invasion of Cuba under Kennedy. In fact, the CIA had engaged in a secret operation attacking North Vietnamese coastal installations--so if there had been an attack it would not have been 'unprovoked.' It was not a 'routine patrol,' because the Maddox was on a special electronic spying mission. And it was not in international waters but in Vietnamese territorial waters. It turned out that no torpedos were fired at the Maddox, as McNamara said. Another reported attack on another destroyer, two nights later, which Johnson called 'open aggression on the high seas,' seems also to have been an invention."
-Zinn, Howard. A People's History of the United States. p476
BTW, I realize that "stage" was a bad word to use. I meant invent, but I figured you'd get the point anyway.


