VRGNCD5

I never said other countries aren't sovereign so I can't explain that:fawk: We are not deciding their future "alone", the British have sent troops, Austrailia has sent troops, not to mention all the other countries who have vowed to help in many other ways. And since you are who you are, here is a list for you of the countries who back us:

Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, the United Kingdom and Uzbekistan. The State Department listed Japan as available for "post-conflict" support.

ALBANIA - Offered to send troops in a largely symbolic gesture.


AUSTRALIA - Sent 2,000-strong force of elite SAS troops, fighter jets and warships to the Gulf.


BAHRAIN - Headquarters of the U.S. Fifth Fleet.


BRITAIN - Washington's chief ally on Iraq has sent or committed 45,000 military personnel, planes and warships.


BULGARIA - Offered use of airspace, base and refuelling for U.S. warplanes; sent non-combat troops specialising in chemical and biological warfare decontamination.


CROATIA - Airspace and airports open to civilian transport planes from the coalition.


CZECH REPUBLIC - Sent non-combat troops specialising in chemical warfare decontamination in response to U.S. request.


DENMARK - The government decided to take part in the military action with a submarine and a corvette and a medical team.


GERMANY - Despite opposition to a war on Iraq, Germany has chemical warfare decontamination specialists in Kuwait which will be increased to between 200 and 250 troops.


HUNGARY - Hosts a U.S. base where Iraqi exiles are trained for possible post-war administrative roles.


ITALY - Offered logistical help and use of military bases and ports under longstanding NATO commitments.


JORDAN - Opened its airspace to coalition planes; hosts U.S. troops carrying out search and rescue operations in western Iraq and manning a Patriot anti-missile defence system.


KUWAIT - Hosts coalition forces massed for an invasion.


OMAN - Base for U.S. planes used in Afghanistan

POLAND - To deploy up to 200 troops in the Gulf region, which will perform a non-combat role supporting U.S.-led offensive.


PORTUGAL - Made available NATO air bases and an air base in the mid-Atlantic Azores islands.


QATAR - Hosts a mobile HQ for U.S. Central Command; allowed Washington to expand an airfield to handle more combat jets.


ROMANIA - Airspace and a base open to U.S. warplanes; sent non-combat specialists in chemical decontamination, medics, engineers and military police in response to a U.S. request.


SAUDI ARABIA - U.S. and British planes use its Prince Sultan Air Base to enforce a "no-fly zone" over southern Iraq.


SLOVAKIA - Sent non-combat troops specialising in chemical warfare decontamination in response to a U.S. request.

SPAIN - Strongest ally of the United States and Britain. Promised use of its NATO bases for strike on Iraq. Spain will send a medical support vessel equipped with nuclear, biological and chemical treatment facilities. A back-up frigate and 900 troops also pledged.


TURKEY - Parliament is likely to debate on Thursday opening its airspace to U.S. warplanes but would not allow them access to airbases even for refuelling.


UAE - Base for U.S. surveillance aircraft and refuelling; host to an estimated 3,000 Western troops.


UKRAINE - Agreed to U.S. request that it send chemical warfare and nuclear decontamination experts.

We attacked Iraq due to their leadership refusing to abide by the resolution to disarm which brought about our cease fire in the first Gulf war, as well as at least 13 other subsequent resolutions. Our president, and the one before him, and the one before him, all maintain that Saddam is indeed a threat to us as all have launched missiles on that country, the only difference is that this time, Saddam will not remain in control of the country when all is said and done.

EurAznBoi

Isn't it the UN's job to enforce their rules? If Saddam lies deliberately about his weapons, he deserves to be dealt with accordingly. Why follow the UN, when it cannot even enforce it's rules?

Slow-N-Low

I stand corrected. I guess I confused my TV viewing with the website. (I'm watching CNN.) Fox has long been recognized as a right-wing propaganda machine, so I'm not surprised seeing it coming from them.


Not in this particular thread, but it's been the general sentiment in the Basement.

VRGNCD5

well said. the un voted UNANIMOUSLY that Iraq comply or face SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES. Since when is allowing more time for the inspectors to search for weapons that have been hidden from them a SERIOUS CONSEQUENCE?

Slow-N-Low

Well you did claim that the US is sovereign, and the US did violate the sovereignty of Iraq. I know that you can't explain the double standard; I was just pointing it out.


That's a straw man argument. True, the US is paying other countries for mercenary soldiers. That doesn't alter the fact that Bush is calling the shots.

Slow-N-Low

The UN didn't authorize the US to meet out those consequences. You can't claim UN authority when there is no authorization given from the UN.

Baget

IMO the UN is a complete joke.. how many times is "this is your last warning" going to happen? That is complete and utter bullshit. They're all a bunch of pussys who are already involved in Iraq in some other way and dont' want to ruin their relations as they stand.

France for instance GAVE Iraq a nuclear reactor capable of making weapons grade plutonium.. also Iraq owns them 80 million (billion?) dollars and France is also getting alot of oil from Iraq. GOD I HATE THE FRENCH!! We should just give them their damn statue back.

wtf?

VRGNCD5

I didn't "claim" that we are a sovereign nation, I "stated" we're one. We did not violate them, they chose this. Had they done what they were supposed to do and disarmed, we would not be in this situation. I find that it's no coincidence that our last 3 presidents have major problems w/Saddam and his country. The only thing that you are pointing out is that you don't like the facts. I stated that we are a sovereign nation, to which you responded "please explain why other countries aren't sovereign." :wtf:

Everything that you don't like or agree with is a "straw man argument" to you, again, confirming that you don't like the facts as they are. If we were so wrong in our efforts right now, why would so many countries offer their help? And while we're at it, can you show me any shred of proof that we are paying those countries I listed for their help? Please. Yes, Bush is the leader of this COALITION, can't have a coalition if it's just a unilateral operation right?:fawk: So again, we are not in this alone, the fact that we are leading is not an idication that we are going solo.

98CoupeV6

Yeah, they sent a Z06

It's a light cruising ship...I dunno the exact specifications, if you care search google.com. Basically, it's like a small battleship that goes fairly fast.

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i r watching the al-jezira and they are showing that shit