MLB playoffs v.Officcial thread
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The problem is that only a few big-market teams can afford this, leading to a competitive advantage for teams in bigger markets and the virtual exclusion of small market teams from being long-term contenders. Even if a small market team makes it to the playoffs and on to the world series, they mostly do this with home-grown talent and their window of opportunity is very short, as all their good players will be snatched up by the yankees/sox/dodgers/etc.
The reason the Yanks are perpetual contenders is that they buy everyone else's players. I think their only major contributor that is home-grown is Jeter (who is awesome btw) -- all their others have been bought rather than developed.
The Yanks spent 35% more in '09 ($201.5 million) than the next highest payroll team (the Mets at $149.4 million), and 5.5 times as much as the lowest payroll team (Marlins $36.8 million). (USA Today)
It's just frustrating for small market fans to see all their good players get bought up by the big guys. Not to mention the injuries -- the Rockies lose their best pitcher, they're screwed. The Yankees lose their best pitcher, they buy a new one.
The reason the Yanks are perpetual contenders is that they buy everyone else's players. I think their only major contributor that is home-grown is Jeter (who is awesome btw) -- all their others have been bought rather than developed.
The Yanks spent 35% more in '09 ($201.5 million) than the next highest payroll team (the Mets at $149.4 million), and 5.5 times as much as the lowest payroll team (Marlins $36.8 million). (USA Today)
It's just frustrating for small market fans to see all their good players get bought up by the big guys. Not to mention the injuries -- the Rockies lose their best pitcher, they're screwed. The Yankees lose their best pitcher, they buy a new one.
Posada is home grown
Jeter is home grown
Joba Chamberlain is home grown
Melky Cabrera is home grown
Mariano Rivera is home grown
Andy Pettitte is home grown
Robinson Cano is home grown
Hideki Matsui is (semi) home grown
Phil Hughes is home grown
Brett Gardner is home grown
Regardless, MLB's revenue sharing platform results in tens of millions of dollars to small market teams (in some cases up to $60 Million annually), enough to pay for several big time players. Yankees annually pay close to $100 Million from their OWN revenue (ticket sales) to other teams.
Another example: In 2007, the Florida Marlins received over $60 Million in revenue sharing, yet had an opening day roster at around $45 Million. It's hard to feel bad for small market teams in scenarios like that. Frankly, small market teams are hesitant to take on big contracts not because they can't afford to, but because their owners don't want thinner profit margins.
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Regardless, MLB's revenue sharing platform results in tens of millions of dollars to small market teams (in some cases up to $60 Million annually), enough to pay for several big time players. Yankees annually pay close to $100 Million from their OWN revenue (ticket sales) to other teams.
Another example: In 2007, the Florida Marlins received over $60 Million in revenue sharing, yet had an opening day roster at around $45 Million. It's hard to feel bad for small market teams in scenarios like that. Frankly, small market teams are hesitant to take on big contracts not because they can't afford to, but because their owners don't want thinner profit margins.
Another example: In 2007, the Florida Marlins received over $60 Million in revenue sharing, yet had an opening day roster at around $45 Million. It's hard to feel bad for small market teams in scenarios like that. Frankly, small market teams are hesitant to take on big contracts not because they can't afford to, but because their owners don't want thinner profit margins.
I was merely using the Marlins as a comparison, but it still holds true when looking at the Pirates or the Padres. I'd be just as much in favor of a salary floor as I would a salary cap.
All I'm saying is that the Yanks, by virtue of their massive income base, have an unfair competitive advantage over most other teams. Whether the Marlins owners are skimming off the top doesn't change the fact that the Yankees spent twice as much on payroll as any of the bottom 21 teams.
It's just such a huge disparity, and is incredibly frustrating for people who are fans of teams other than the Yankees. Baseball needs to look into ways of levelling the field, both by making sure that owners spend an appropriate minimum amount and that there is a reasonable ceiling on payroll.
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I was incorrect about their home grown players, I don't follow the Yankees so didn't know they'd gotten such good production out of their farm system.
I was merely using the Marlins as a comparison, but it still holds true when looking at the Pirates or the Padres. I'd be just as much in favor of a salary floor as I would a salary cap.
All I'm saying is that the Yanks, by virtue of their massive income base, have an unfair competitive advantage over most other teams. Whether the Marlins owners are skimming off the top doesn't change the fact that the Yankees spent twice as much on payroll as any of the bottom 21 teams.
It's just such a huge disparity, and is incredibly frustrating for people who are fans of teams other than the Yankees. Baseball needs to look into ways of levelling the field, both by making sure that owners spend an appropriate minimum amount and that there is a reasonable ceiling on payroll.
I was merely using the Marlins as a comparison, but it still holds true when looking at the Pirates or the Padres. I'd be just as much in favor of a salary floor as I would a salary cap.
All I'm saying is that the Yanks, by virtue of their massive income base, have an unfair competitive advantage over most other teams. Whether the Marlins owners are skimming off the top doesn't change the fact that the Yankees spent twice as much on payroll as any of the bottom 21 teams.
It's just such a huge disparity, and is incredibly frustrating for people who are fans of teams other than the Yankees. Baseball needs to look into ways of levelling the field, both by making sure that owners spend an appropriate minimum amount and that there is a reasonable ceiling on payroll.
In 2007, the teams with the two highest revenues (and coincidentally the two highest payrolls), the NY Yankees and NY Mets, showed losses of $47 million and $19 million, respectively. The only other team to show a loss that year was Toronto, with a much lower $1.8 million loss.
In contract, the smallest market teams in the league showed the following PROFITS:
Florida Marlins: $35.6 Million
Tampa Bay Rays: $29.7 Million
Colorado Rockies: $26.2 Million
Milwaukee Brewers: $19.2 Million
Minnesota Twins: $23.8 Million
This is far more of an issue on how the team is ran financially than big markets and small markets. You can get TWO all star players for the amount of profits these teams are pulling (net of exhorbant CEO salaries no less!).
This dichotomy clearly shows the differing mindsets of big market and small market teams: Yankees operate to win games. Small market teams operate to make money. They may get lucky and have a great season (Florida Marlins have won TWO championships since they came into existance, even the Arizona D-Backs have won a championship), but being competitive isn't necessarily their main interest.
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I was driving from PA last night and thank god for sprint I was able to watch the Yankees win last night on my touch pro2. Here is a similar clip so that you have an idea of what I am talking about. I hope for a game 7 
i still hope for angels to make a comeback 
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being a lifelong oakland a's fan and sf giant's fan this championship is killing me. but being the a's fan that i am i hate the angels and despise the yankee's. So i have no care to who win's that series, i just hope it goes 7 games to tire one of the teams out. being a giants fan, i can't like the dodgers as well. so the moral of the story is GO PHILLIES! haha
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