Hey RB
and anyway, no rich man has stiffed me out of anything yet, because 1. i try to be responsible, and 2. i'm not gullible.
i'm all for keeping the avg. joe safe. what i am not for is big government thinking they know how to handle my money better than someone else. that's not what they're in power for.
Last edited by reno96teg; May 6, 2009 at 09:31 AM.
Nationalization, also spelled nationalisation, is the act of taking an industry or assets into the public ownership of a national government or state. Nationalization usually refers to private assets, but may also mean assets owned by lower levels of government, such as municipalities, being state operated or owned by the state. The opposite of nationalization is usually privatization or de-nationalisation, but may also be municipalization. A renationalization occurs when state-owned assets are privatized and later nationalized again, often when a different political party or faction is in power. A renationalization process may also be called reverse privatization.
The motives for nationalization are political as well as economic. It is a central theme of certain brands of 'state socialist' policy that the means of production, distribution and exchange, should be owned by the state on behalf of the people to allow for rational allocation and operation, and rational planning or control of the economy. Many socialists believe that public ownership enables people to exercise full democratic control over the means whereby they earn their living and provides an effective means of redistributing wealth and income more equitably.
Nationalized industries, charged with operating in the public interest, may be under strong political and social pressures to give much more attention to externalities. They may be obliged to operate some loss making activities where social benefits are clearly greater than social costs - for example, rural, postal and transport services. As an instance, the United States Postal Service is guaranteed its nationalised status by the Constitution. The government has recognized these social obligations and, in some cases, provides subsidies for such non-commercial operations.
Since the nationalised industries are state owned, the government is responsible for meeting any debts incurred by these industries. The nationalized industries do not normally borrow from the domestic market other than for short-term borrowing.
Nationalization may occur with or without compensation to the former owners. If it takes place without compensation it is a case of expropriation. Nationalization is distinguished from property redistribution in that the government retains control of nationalized property. Some nationalizations take place when a government seizes property acquired illegally. For example, the French government seized the car-makers Renault because its owners had collaborated with the Nazi occupiers of France.
The motives for nationalization are political as well as economic. It is a central theme of certain brands of 'state socialist' policy that the means of production, distribution and exchange, should be owned by the state on behalf of the people to allow for rational allocation and operation, and rational planning or control of the economy. Many socialists believe that public ownership enables people to exercise full democratic control over the means whereby they earn their living and provides an effective means of redistributing wealth and income more equitably.
Nationalized industries, charged with operating in the public interest, may be under strong political and social pressures to give much more attention to externalities. They may be obliged to operate some loss making activities where social benefits are clearly greater than social costs - for example, rural, postal and transport services. As an instance, the United States Postal Service is guaranteed its nationalised status by the Constitution. The government has recognized these social obligations and, in some cases, provides subsidies for such non-commercial operations.
Since the nationalised industries are state owned, the government is responsible for meeting any debts incurred by these industries. The nationalized industries do not normally borrow from the domestic market other than for short-term borrowing.
Nationalization may occur with or without compensation to the former owners. If it takes place without compensation it is a case of expropriation. Nationalization is distinguished from property redistribution in that the government retains control of nationalized property. Some nationalizations take place when a government seizes property acquired illegally. For example, the French government seized the car-makers Renault because its owners had collaborated with the Nazi occupiers of France.
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Same group of greedy men?
I get what nationalization is about, but I guess I feel Marx called it. Capitalism is going to hit a point where the people are going uprise.
Of all the Social Theory I've studied, Conflict Theory is where my mind is at. Maybe I'm too Proletariat to see the differences between the Bourgeois.
I get what nationalization is about, but I guess I feel Marx called it. Capitalism is going to hit a point where the people are going uprise.
Of all the Social Theory I've studied, Conflict Theory is where my mind is at. Maybe I'm too Proletariat to see the differences between the Bourgeois.
I will proceed to shut up and read.
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Thats it?
I was actually hoping you had some insight to this or personal feelings about being forced and coerced as a company to take more funds and the removal of private investor bonds from the pool.
I was actually hoping you had some insight to this or personal feelings about being forced and coerced as a company to take more funds and the removal of private investor bonds from the pool.
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"I'll keep my money, guns and freedom. You can keep the "Change."
"I'll keep my money, guns and freedom. You can keep the "Change."
On top of that, in banking, there isn't a core weakness, unlike the automotive industry (GM in particular). Banking standards are liquid can change on a dime. The problem is the .gov isn't recognizing this and is treating banks in a similar fashion as the banking industry. Banks don't have overpaid labor unions or inferior products.
Last edited by RB; May 6, 2009 at 10:05 AM.
It'll all pan out. I have no doubt in my mind that a full nationalization, or even one in which the .gov takes control of the banking system through indirect means over the long term wont take effect. This is all reactionary bullshit by the administration that is only staying afloat based on the perceived weakness of the economy. The good news is that the economy wont stay in a recession forever, in fact, will probably bottom out and start to recover in mid-late 2009. You think all this BS will fly when banks are recording regular profits again? Companies, over time, will regain their tangible common equity position and there will come a point when all strong banks will far and away exceed mandated minimums. At that point the .gov wont have a leg to stand on and the nationalization agenda will disolve.
I dunno even in the short term once it is done reversal is very improbable if not impossible.
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"I'll keep my money, guns and freedom. You can keep the "Change."
"I'll keep my money, guns and freedom. You can keep the "Change."


