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Old Dec 19, 2002 | 02:10 AM
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I am a democrat and proud.

straight ticket.

I do not vote for republicans, and yes that is quite close minded.

I have done a lot of research of polotics and i knew right from the begining i am democrat for a reason, and the reason is I do not agree with what WAY over half of what republicans believe. More like i disagree with over 80% of what they believe.

I voted for Ron Jeremy for state senator, because our senator does a piss poor job.
Old Dec 19, 2002 | 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by sexygreencivic
I am a democrat and proud.

straight ticket.

I do not vote for republicans, and yes that is quite close minded.

I have done a lot of research of polotics and i knew right from the begining i am democrat for a reason, and the reason is I do not agree with what WAY over half of what republicans believe. More like i disagree with over 80% of what they believe.

I voted for Ron Jeremy for state senator, because our senator does a piss poor job.
What is it exactly that Republican's believe that you don't agree with? I like Republican policies because I could actually have a say in where my social security is invested, they give you incentives to work hard, earn money, and not be unequally taxed, when I die I know that my money is going to my family, not 50% of it to the government simply because I died, Republicans give people the opportunity to better themselves rather than giving handouts, but most of all Republicans have the balls to go to war to protect our country...how many terrorist acts did Clinton let slide by...and a couple of cruise missles hitting a few tents and camels does not count.
Old Dec 19, 2002 | 11:26 AM
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I'm mostly conservative, but I have some liberal views to go with it. I'd be libertarian if it wasn't a bunch of hillbillies that hate every other ethnic group, but don't flat out say it.

I don't like gun control, not a fan of the taxing me to death, I'm all for going to war if I'm asked to.

I'm not a fan though of saying no abortions to anyone but molestation and rape victims.

Those are the main points at least.
Old Dec 19, 2002 | 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by sexygreencivic
I am a democrat and proud.

straight ticket.

I do not vote for republicans, and yes that is quite close minded.

I have done a lot of research of polotics and i knew right from the begining i am democrat for a reason, and the reason is I do not agree with what WAY over half of what republicans believe. More like i disagree with over 80% of what they believe.

I voted for Ron Jeremy for state senator, because our senator does a piss poor job.
Your husband is military, right?
Old Dec 19, 2002 | 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by LiLRexen
Your husband is military, right?
"ex" husband.

He's Democrat too. I was democrat first.
Old Dec 20, 2002 | 01:22 AM
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Simple fact: Republican economic policies are horrendous. They cut tax breaks for the upper 5% which doesn't help anyone. Of course when they go out campaigning they don't mention who is going to get their taxes cut, just that taxes will be cut. Their other assorted economic programs plunge the country into a deficit which then depreciates the investments of those same upper 5% who got the tax cut. And that depreciation generally is more than the tax break they received. Aside from that, all this christian right wing morality crap is retarded. Nothing wrong with the religion, just that it shouldn't be mixed with politics.

I do not consider myself a staunch Democrat by any means, however I do know that I really dislike Republicans. So, I will never vote Republican. And as long as voting Democrat is the most viable option for keeping Republicans out of office that is how I will vote.
Old Dec 20, 2002 | 07:26 AM
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I just got this in an email...it is a little long but makes for an interesting read. It explains well what percentage of taxes are paid by who and when a flat tax reduction is given (such as the ones Republicans favor) what the effect is.

NOTE: The following data shows the distribution of taxes paid by various
wage earners in the US, as reported by the IRS, for the tax year 2000 (the
latest year for which the figures are available):

The top 1% paid 37.4% of all federal income taxes;
The top 5% paid 56.7%;
The top 10% paid 67.3%;
The top 25% paid 84.0%;
The top 50% paid 96.1%.


How do tax cuts affect these different groups?
Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that everyday, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this (the numbers are rounded to make it even dollars): The first three men -- the poorest -- would pay nothing; the fourth would pay $1, the fifth would pay $3, the sixth would pay $4, the seventh $6, the eighth $8, the ninth
$11,and the tenth man -- the richest -- would pay $67.

The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement -- until one day, the owner threw them a curve (in tax language, a tax cut). "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only cost
$80.00. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first three men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other seven -- the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"

The seven men realized that $20 divided by seven is $2.86. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fourth man would end up being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so the fourth man paid nothing, the fifth pitched in $2, the sixth pitched in $3, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $6, the ninth paid $9, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $55 instead of his earlier $67. Each of the seven was better off than before. And the first three continued to eat
for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the fourth man, "but he," pointing to the tenth, "got 12!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth, sixth and seventh men: "I only saved a dollar, too...it's unfair that he
got twelve times more than me!" "That's true!" shouted the eighth man, "why should he get $12 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!" "Me too!" exclaimed the ninth man, who also got a $2 reduction in his bill. "Wait a minute," yelled the first three men in unison, "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it
came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late, what was very important. They were FIFTY-FIVE DOLLARS short of paying the bill without their rich friend!


Imagine that!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Because they pay the most taxes....by a lot!
Old Dec 20, 2002 | 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by DVPGSR
I just got this in an email...it is a little long but makes for an interesting read. It explains well what percentage of taxes are paid by who and when a flat tax reduction is given (such as the ones Republicans favor) what the effect is.

NOTE: The following data shows the distribution of taxes paid by various
wage earners in the US, as reported by the IRS, for the tax year 2000 (the
latest year for which the figures are available):

The top 1% paid 37.4% of all federal income taxes;
The top 5% paid 56.7%;
The top 10% paid 67.3%;
The top 25% paid 84.0%;
The top 50% paid 96.1%.


How do tax cuts affect these different groups?
Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that everyday, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this (the numbers are rounded to make it even dollars): The first three men -- the poorest -- would pay nothing; the fourth would pay $1, the fifth would pay $3, the sixth would pay $4, the seventh $6, the eighth $8, the ninth
$11,and the tenth man -- the richest -- would pay $67.

The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement -- until one day, the owner threw them a curve (in tax language, a tax cut). "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only cost
$80.00. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first three men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other seven -- the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"

The seven men realized that $20 divided by seven is $2.86. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fourth man would end up being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so the fourth man paid nothing, the fifth pitched in $2, the sixth pitched in $3, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $6, the ninth paid $9, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $55 instead of his earlier $67. Each of the seven was better off than before. And the first three continued to eat
for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the fourth man, "but he," pointing to the tenth, "got 12!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth, sixth and seventh men: "I only saved a dollar, too...it's unfair that he
got twelve times more than me!" "That's true!" shouted the eighth man, "why should he get $12 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!" "Me too!" exclaimed the ninth man, who also got a $2 reduction in his bill. "Wait a minute," yelled the first three men in unison, "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it
came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late, what was very important. They were FIFTY-FIVE DOLLARS short of paying the bill without their rich friend!


Imagine that!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Because they pay the most taxes....by a lot!
finally someone with some common sense......
Old Dec 20, 2002 | 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by MrFatBooty
Simple fact: Republican economic policies are horrendous. They cut tax breaks for the upper 5% which doesn't help anyone. Of course when they go out campaigning they don't mention who is going to get their taxes cut, just that taxes will be cut. Their other assorted economic programs plunge the country into a deficit which then depreciates the investments of those same upper 5% who got the tax cut. And that depreciation generally is more than the tax break they received. Aside from that, all this christian right wing morality crap is retarded. Nothing wrong with the religion, just that it shouldn't be mixed with politics.

I do not consider myself a staunch Democrat by any means, however I do know that I really dislike Republicans. So, I will never vote Republican. And as long as voting Democrat is the most viable option for keeping Republicans out of office that is how I will vote.
dude, you're way off. tax cuts strenghten the economy by increasing consumer spending, which, over time raises confidence and makes those investments you mentioned appreciate not depreciate.
Old Dec 22, 2002 | 05:47 PM
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I consider myself a Republican but w/a few liberal views (welfare and marijuana legalization).

When I vote, if I don't know either candidate, I'll vote Republican.



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