View Poll Results: Do gun control laws need to be made tougher?
No. And if more people were allowed to carry concealed weapons, fewer people might have died.
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The massacre at Virginia Tech is raising new questions about gun control.
04-20-2007, 03:35 AM
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I go duffy on dem bitches
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new zealand
http://www.stats.govt.nz/analytical-...fence-rate.htm
sweden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden
australia
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html
england and wales
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...01/ixhome.html
canada
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...4/150547.shtml
united states
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
Here is Germany. They also average a much higher crime rate than the United States based on population.
Page 35: http://www.bka.de/pks/pks2003ev/pcs_2003.pdf
London? Sure
These stats are for LONDON, England only. There were 14,000 crimes committed per 100,000 people. This means that 14% of people in London were a victim of some sort of crime (murder, rape, robbery, etc.).
In 2006 the United States had a total of 23,113,708 crimes committed which is 7,798 crimes per 100,000 people. That is nearly about half the amount of crime that London has.
Oh, and this is with our "easy" gun control laws.
Sources:
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1566039.stm
Looks to me like we're one of the few countries where violent crime is actually going down and/or holding steady.
http://www.nationmaster.com/article/...ound-the-World
God bless Canada
http://www.sfu.ca/~mauser/papers/letters/DrUSoped104.pdf
http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0508190817.asp
http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/N...Post61504.html
By News Sentinel staff
April 18, 2007
NASHVILLE — In a surprise move, a House panel voted today to repeal a state law that forbids the carrying of handguns on property and buildings owned by state, county and city governments — including parks and playgrounds.
"I think the recent Virginia disaster — or catastrophe or nightmare or whatever you want to call it — has woken up a lot of people to the need for having guns available to law-abiding citizens," said Rep. Frank Niceley, R-Strawberry Plains. "I hope that is what this vote reflects."
April 18, 2007
NASHVILLE — In a surprise move, a House panel voted today to repeal a state law that forbids the carrying of handguns on property and buildings owned by state, county and city governments — including parks and playgrounds.
"I think the recent Virginia disaster — or catastrophe or nightmare or whatever you want to call it — has woken up a lot of people to the need for having guns available to law-abiding citizens," said Rep. Frank Niceley, R-Strawberry Plains. "I hope that is what this vote reflects."
Hear it from an anti herself. There are reasons why we ban certain things. She knows exactly what shes' talking about.
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/1...l-legislation/
When Mass Killers Meet Armed Resistance
http://freestudents.blogspot.com/200...esistance.html
04-20-2007, 03:40 AM
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Hear it from an anti herself. There are reasons why we ban certain things. She knows exactly what shes' talking about.
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/1...l-legislation/
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/1...l-legislation/
he completely owns her....she has no clue what her ban even bans
not surprising
04-20-2007, 08:37 AM
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London? Sure
These stats are for LONDON, England only. There were 14,000 crimes committed per 100,000 people. This means that 14% of people in London were a victim of some sort of crime (murder, rape, robbery, etc.).
In 2006 the United States had a total of 23,113,708 crimes committed which is 7,798 crimes per 100,000 people. That is nearly about half the amount of crime that London has.
Oh, and this is with our "easy" gun control laws.
These stats are for LONDON, England only. There were 14,000 crimes committed per 100,000 people. This means that 14% of people in London were a victim of some sort of crime (murder, rape, robbery, etc.).
In 2006 the United States had a total of 23,113,708 crimes committed which is 7,798 crimes per 100,000 people. That is nearly about half the amount of crime that London has.
Oh, and this is with our "easy" gun control laws.
Also, let's not dodge the question, the crime we're talking about here is murder.
London’s murder rate per person: 2.4 per 100,000
Baltimore's murder rate per person: 42.0 per 100,000
Detroit's murder rate per person: 39.3
St. Louis's murder rate per person: 37.9
Washington D.C.'s murder rate per person: 35.4
Newark's murder rate per person: 34.5
Detroit's murder rate per person: 39.3
St. Louis's murder rate per person: 37.9
Washington D.C.'s murder rate per person: 35.4
Newark's murder rate per person: 34.5
So Baltimore's murder rate is TWENTY TIMES higher than London's. New York City's murder rate is three times higher than London's. In order to find a murder rate per capita as low as London's in the United States, you have to do all the way down to the city ranked 67th, friggin El Paso, Texas.
04-20-2007, 08:41 AM
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Notice that the cities with high rates are some of the ones with strict gun control policies.
El Paso is in Texas which has fairly lax gun control policies.
Isn't this opposite of the arguement you're trying to make?
El Paso is in Texas which has fairly lax gun control policies.
Isn't this opposite of the arguement you're trying to make?
04-20-2007, 08:46 AM
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None of those US cities have gun control policies as strict as London's.
04-20-2007, 08:50 AM
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The argument is pointless. You're too set in your ways to realize that it's possible for not so strict gun laws to work, although there are tons of
instances to prove it and I sure as fuck am not going to believe that taking guns from law abiding citizens is going to decrease crime rates. :rofl:
The fact of the matter is, make guns illegal and only those that don't care about the law will have guns.
Alcohol was illegal and alcohol consumption was at peaks during prohibition. Weed, heroine, cocaine etc is illegal but I don't see a lack of it anywhere. Fucking child porn is illegal and it's rampant.
instances to prove it and I sure as fuck am not going to believe that taking guns from law abiding citizens is going to decrease crime rates. :rofl:
The fact of the matter is, make guns illegal and only those that don't care about the law will have guns.
Alcohol was illegal and alcohol consumption was at peaks during prohibition. Weed, heroine, cocaine etc is illegal but I don't see a lack of it anywhere. Fucking child porn is illegal and it's rampant.
04-20-2007, 08:57 AM
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You're arguing a straw man. Show me in this thread where I've advocated strict gun laws. Show me in any thread where I've advocated taking guns away from people.
I post raw crime statistics. You are the one who brings up gun control.
Edit: You think we should legalize child porn? According to your logic, there would be less of it if it was legal.
I post raw crime statistics. You are the one who brings up gun control.
Edit: You think we should legalize child porn? According to your logic, there would be less of it if it was legal.
04-20-2007, 09:01 AM
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You said you think gun laws need to change. Based on the graphic that you posted, I made the assumption that you meant they needed to be stricter. What do you think we should do?
The point of the last part of my post was that making things illegal does not make them disappear.
The point of the last part of my post was that making things illegal does not make them disappear.
04-20-2007, 09:34 AM
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I think basic gun laws, whatever they are, should be federal. Gun control will never work so long as you can just go to a neighboring state and evade local law.
In order to purchase a gun you should have to take a gun safety course and be licensed. Retest every say, 5 years, and if you fail the test you have to take the course again. Up-your-ass background check involved in licensing, and based on what happened at VT, that background check should look at your mental state. History of violent crime, no gun for you. DUI in the last 5 years, no gun for you. Etc. Once you're licensed, I don't care how many guns you own, or what type of guns you own ('cept class III).
Basically, raise the requirements for gun ownership to what most states require for CCW. No changes to what weapons are or aren't legal, what magazine sizes are or aren't legal, ammo, etc. That's all fine imho.