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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 07:49 AM
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we haven't argued over this crap in a while...

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The Toyota Prius has become the flagship car for those in our society so environmentally conscious that they are willing to spend a premium to show the world how much they care. Unfortunately for them, their ultimate ‘green car’ is the source of some of the worst pollution in North America; it takes more combined energy per Prius to produce than a Hummer.

Before we delve into the seedy underworld of hybrids, you must first understand how a hybrid works. For this, we will use the most popular hybrid on the market, the Toyota Prius.

The Prius is powered by not one, but two engines: a standard 76 horsepower, 1.5-liter gas engine found in most cars today and a battery- powered engine that deals out 67 horsepower and a whooping 295ft/lbs of torque, below 2000 revolutions per minute. Essentially, the Toyota Synergy Drive system, as it is so called, propels the car from a dead stop to up to 30mph. This is where the largest percent of gas is consumed. As any physics major can tell you, it takes more energy to get an object moving than to keep it moving. The battery is recharged through the braking system, as well as when the gasoline engine takes over anywhere north of 30mph. It seems like a great energy efficient and environmentally sound car, right?

You would be right if you went by the old government EPA estimates, which netted the Prius an incredible 60 miles per gallon in the city and 51 miles per gallon on the highway. Unfortunately for Toyota, the government realized how unrealistic their EPA tests were, which consisted of highway speeds limited to 55mph and acceleration of only 3.3 mph per second. The new tests which affect all 2008 models give a much more realistic rating with highway speeds of 80mph and acceleration of 8mph per second. This has dropped the Prius’s EPA down by 25 percent to an average of 45mpg. This now puts the Toyota within spitting distance of cars like the Chevy Aveo, which costs less then half what the Prius costs.


However, if that was the only issue with the Prius, I wouldn’t be writing this article. It gets much worse.

Building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. As already noted, the Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.

The plant is the source of all the nickel found in a Prius’ battery and Toyota purchases 1,000 tons annually. Dubbed the Superstack, the plague-factory has spread sulfur dioxide across northern Ontario, becoming every environmentalist’s nightmare.

“The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants and the soil slid down off the hillside,” said Canadian Greenpeace energy-coordinator David Martin during an interview with Mail, a British-based newspaper.


All of this would be bad enough in and of itself; however, the journey to make a hybrid doesn’t end there. The nickel produced by this disastrous plant is shipped via massive container ship to the largest nickel refinery in Europe. From there, the nickel hops over to China to produce ‘nickel foam.’ From there, it goes to Japan. Finally, the completed batteries are shipped to the United States, finalizing the around-the-world trip required to produce a single Prius battery. Are these not sounding less and less like environmentally sound cars and more like a farce?

Wait, I haven’t even got to the best part yet.

When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer - the Prius’s arch nemesis.

Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles - the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.

The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.

So, if you are really an environmentalist - ditch the Prius. Instead, buy one of the most economical cars available - a Toyota Scion xB. The Scion only costs a paltry $0.48 per mile to put on the road. If you are still obsessed over gas mileage - buy a Chevy Aveo and fix that lead foot.

One last fun fact for you: it takes five years to offset the premium price of a Prius. Meaning, you have to wait 60 months to save any money over a non-hybrid car because of lower gas expenses.
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 07:54 AM
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During the Apollo manned lunar exploration program, NASA astronauts trained in Sudbury, to become familiar with shatter cones, a rare rock formation connected with meteorite impacts. However, the popular misconception that they were visiting Sudbury because it purportedly resembled the lifeless surface of the moon dogged the city for years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Sudbury,_Ontario
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 98CoupeV6
During the Apollo manned lunar exploration program, NASA astronauts trained in Sudbury, to become familiar with shatter cones, a rare rock formation connected with meteorite impacts. However, the popular misconception that they were visiting Sudbury because it purportedly resembled the lifeless surface of the moon dogged the city for years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Sudbury,_Ontario
great now you just brought out the "they faked the landings" conspiracy nuts
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 08:00 AM
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from the same link,

The ore deposits in Sudbury are part of a large geological structure known as the Sudbury Basin, believed to be the remnants of a 1.85-billion year old meteorite impact crater. Sudbury ore contains profitable amounts of many elements, especially transition metals, including platinum. It also contains an unusually high concentration of sulfur. When nickel-copper ore is smelted, this sulfur is released into the environment, where it is toxic to vegetation. Carried aloft, it combines with atmospheric water to form sulfuric acid. This contaminates atmospheric water, resulting in a phenomenon known as acid rain.


after pretty much devastating the entire area, they've gone nuts planting a ton of green. let's see how long that lasts. anyway, the cherry picking is unnecessary. if you want to refute the article, refute every point. h:

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great now you just brought out the "they faked the landings" conspiracy nuts
ah son of a bitch :doh:
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 08:04 AM
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The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles - the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.

The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles.
This is an odd comparison. Of course the more miles you drive the lower the per-mile cost is going to be. I'm assuming the 300,000 mile figure is for the military hummer -- hummers should be compared with a similar 100,000 mile life for civilian hummers. There's no reason a Prius couldn't go 300,000 miles. It might need it's battery pack replaced once or twice, but you could factor that into the cost. Basically, you should scale the Prius up to 300,000 miles or scale the Hummer down to 100,000 miles.

I like Hummers, but only for their intended purpose. If I could pick up a cheap mil-surp hummer, it would make a great off-road/camping/mountain vehicle.
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JGordon
It might need it's battery pack replaced once or twice, but you could factor that into the cost.
exactly. i think those batteries are rated for 100k, and 1. they're not cheap, and 2. the cost of manufacturing them (including environmental costs) is not cheap.

but i agree. that comparison is a bit misleading. i see why he chose the hummer - because these vehicles are perceived as extreme opposites - but he should have made more comparisons against fuel efficient non-hybrids.

that, in my opinion, is the point. most buying the hybrid are either ignorant to the "seedy underworld" of the hybrid, or are more concerned with simply sending the message that they care.

ignorance aside, if you really care, you'd buy a truly fuel-efficient non-hybrid instead.

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Originally Posted by JGordon
I like Hummers, but only for their intended purpose. If I could pick up a cheap mil-surp hummer, it would make a great off-road/camping/mountain vehicle.
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i've driven all three version currently in production and i must say i was not impressed with the H2 or the H3.

the H1 though, damn i love that thing off road...and its a great base for a camping vehicle..very roomy and great for having to tackle some rough terrain on the way to a campsite with the family
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 08:15 AM
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oh I agree, I think hybrids are incredibly stupid.

hopefully in the next 5 or 10 years I'll be on the front line of R&D for HCCI engines :usa:
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 08:18 AM
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honda > toyota
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