Notices
The Basement Non-Honda/Acura discussion. Content should be tasteful and "primetime" safe.

Can you tile over kitchen tops

Thread Tools
 
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 07:56 AM
  #1  
Tark's Avatar
Tark
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 30,331
Likes: 0
From: Montréal, Canada
Default Can you tile over kitchen tops

like the laminated type? i wonder if it possible to just tile over it. and how much of a bitch that would be...
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 08:00 AM
  #2  
Chris WebMaster's Avatar
Chris WebMaster
Talk To The Hand!
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,628
Likes: 0
From: NY
Default

Originally Posted by Tark
like the laminated type? i wonder if it possible to just tile over it. and how much of a bitch that would be...
I don't think so. Laminated isn't strong enough. Unless you have thick plywood underneath.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 10:15 AM
  #3  
e3NiNe's Avatar
e3NiNe
#CustomUserTitle
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 63,855
Likes: 1
From: glass case of emotion
Default

you need to remove the existing laminate via heatgun. You can then lay over the exposed wood top.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 10:23 AM
  #4  
Nightshade's Avatar
Nightshade
un-Touch'd krew
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 51,774
Likes: 1
From: My own level of hell
Default

Yep like Drew said remove the laminate then go for it. Usually it is just easier to put new treated plywood down then tile it, but with a heat gun and time you can strip the old top with no problems.
__________________
"I'll keep my money, guns and freedom. You can keep the "Change."
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 10:27 AM
  #5  
spanky's Avatar
spanky
I go duffy on dem bitches
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 28,248
Likes: 0
From: Gonzales, Louisiana
Default

Originally Posted by Nightshade
Yep like Drew said remove the laminate then go for it. Usually it is just easier to put new treated plywood down then tile it, but with a heat gun and time you can strip the old top with no problems.
+1
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 10:27 AM
  #6  
98CoupeV6's Avatar
98CoupeV6
lots and lots of fail
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 23,004
Likes: 1
From: Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeetroit
Default

Originally Posted by Nightshade
Yep like Drew said remove the laminate then go for it. Usually it is just easier to put new treated plywood down then tile it, but with a heat gun and time you can strip the old top with no problems.
:werd: laminate counters are pretty easy to take off.

My advice would be to rip up the plywood and/or put cement based material on top, such as wonderboard. That stuff should be used for all surfaces may have water on them (like around a shower) so that it will never rot even if water gets into it like traditional plywood or drywall will. It's moderately expensive but well worth it.

Last edited by 98CoupeV6; Mar 18, 2007 at 02:26 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 02:10 PM
  #7  
THEOLDMAN's Avatar
THEOLDMAN
Checking it twice
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 13,539
Likes: 0
From: Twixt Hell/Ann Arbor MI
Default

You can but it is not recommended. It all depends on the substructure anyway. You need to get a good bond between the substrate and the tile or else the tile will pop up and moisture will get in between the tile and substrate. A couple of areas that are particularly susesptible to this is near the sink and over the dishwasher. There are a bunch of different bonding agents that go on like paint at tile stores. Talk to someone working there and tell them what you are doing they should be able to point you in the right direction. Replacing the plywood with cement backer board or other products meant to be used as tilebacker would be the best solution.
__________________
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ...."WOW! What a ride!!!!!"

LUNCH with THEOLDMAN...On a break for now...

Last edited by THEOLDMAN; Mar 18, 2007 at 02:12 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 06:42 PM
  #8  
I Killed Tupac's Avatar
I Killed Tupac
but i grease from there
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 2,074
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Nightshade
Yep like Drew said remove the laminate then go for it. Usually it is just easier to put new treated plywood down then tile it, but with a heat gun and time you can strip the old top with no problems.
negative.

just rip the old stuff off, you dont need a heat gun. just a prybar. You can then set over the existing wood with stuff called Mastic, or Laticrete. If you want to build up the edges so its thicker, use a coat of modified thinset over the wood, with 1/4" fiber rock nailed over it then set on the fiber rock.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 06:45 PM
  #9  
I Killed Tupac's Avatar
I Killed Tupac
but i grease from there
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 2,074
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by THEOLDMAN
You can but it is not recommended. It all depends on the substructure anyway. You need to get a good bond between the substrate and the tile or else the tile will pop up and moisture will get in between the tile and substrate. A couple of areas that are particularly susesptible to this is near the sink and over the dishwasher. There are a bunch of different bonding agents that go on like paint at tile stores. Talk to someone working there and tell them what you are doing they should be able to point you in the right direction. Replacing the plywood with cement backer board or other products meant to be used as tilebacker would be the best solution.
no. you dont need a bonding agent. Its not going to mold through mastic or pop.

Dont nail directly over the existing laminate, becuase without thinset, it will creak even tho you nailed it because thinset will not bond to laminate.

Easy way:

Peel off laminate
Use laticrete or Custom brand fortified thinset, apply directly on to wood (thinset is water proof)
let dry
grout
realize you should have hired a tile setter when the edges look like shit cuz your cheap ass didnt buy bullnose and/or put it on wrong


Right way:

same as above but thinset the wood, nail 1/4" fiber rock (NOT CONCRETE BOARD) then set on that.

I'm a tilesetter.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 06:48 PM
  #10  
Samson's Avatar
Samson
chris is the devil
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 8,512
Likes: 0
From: so cal 951 + 760
Default

they have something called granite transformations.. which uses your existing counter as the base.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:10 PM.