benjamin

I don't understand. Are you saying that you agree that people should be free not to affirm god in the pledge, or that they should be forced to?

Bl@ck

we're headed straight for the shitter because we are more and more rapidly becoming a communist state.

Bl@ck

i think he's saying that there are more important things to bitch about than the pledge of allegiance that we all grew up reciting in school, regardless of the motives behind adding this phrase or adding that phrase.

RB26DETT

this country is headed straight for the shitter. california first.

benjamin

Can you provide some examples? From here, it doesn't look like you know what communism is.

Bl@ck

Communism, the movement and politic based on the communal ownership of all property has several stages in the transition from a capitalist society to a communist one. socialism is a preperatory stage in the transition to communism. we are already a socialist nation with the rampant welfare state and the government subsidy of industry time and again.

i would assume benjamin, that you would be more in tune with your copy of the communist manifesto. as of late it seems to be the playbook of both parties.

benjamin

Its a little bizarre seeing you repeat Karl Marx, but okay. I disagree that socialism is the inevitable result of a capitalist society, and I disagree that that commuism is the inevitable result of a socialist society. That aside for now...

The US is not a welfare state. There are some absurd instances of corporate welfare (farm subsidies come to mind), but by and large the government isn't paying for crappy businesses. I had my own company, and there was no government grant for me to stay in business. In fact, I was paying taxes that I had never heard of before.

For the record, I threw out my copy of the communist manifesto when I realized what a twat Karl Marx was.


But really, I have to ask -- what does any of this have to do with removing the word 'god' from the pledge of allegiance? I'm more than happy to engage in debate, but I don't see the connection here.

Bl@ck

that about sums it up.

THEOLDMAN

How does an aethiest swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you "WHO"? Where would they put the hand that's supposed to go on the bible? Since their beliefs don't support God or the Bible, does this mean that they would lie?

Take the pledge back to it's original form, the way the author wrote it. We won over the "Godless Communists" and most went back to their suppressed religions.