Embryos are people, just like Soylent Green
02-07-2005, 07:26 AM
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Embryos are people, just like Soylent Green
THe state of Illinois rulled that a couple that had some frozen emryos lost by a fertility clinic have a case for wrongful death against that clinic. Seems like you would keep better track of them, but I can't see it as wrongful death, If this is correct, then abortion must be illegal in Illinois, think about it. Does this mean that my wife and I can sue the fertility clinic in Houston that failed to get any baby for us? Slope is getting slippery regarding this stuff. If they make abortions illegal, they won't stop happening. Any one else have an opinion
02-07-2005, 08:11 AM
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It's a large gray area and I don't have a solid "view" on it or not.
For instance, I'm pro-choice (though I'd never support an abortion), but I think there should be a date when they can't do them any longer, and much sooner than it is now.
Something like 3 months or whatever.
So, I'm Pro-Choice, but I'm anti-Stem Cell research. Yes I see the good that can come out of stem cell research, but the idea of butchering millions of embryo's just to "see" if we can make some medical advancement while all of our other techniques are still advancing at an amazing rate, just doesnt seem right to me yet.
I know it makes no sense, but that's how it works for me -- as of now anyway.
But wrongful death for losing an embryo? I don't know, in most cases I'd say no. However, if that embryo was a families child waiting to be inserted into the mother so she could finally have a baby -- then I understand where they're coming from.
For instance, I'm pro-choice (though I'd never support an abortion), but I think there should be a date when they can't do them any longer, and much sooner than it is now.
Something like 3 months or whatever.
So, I'm Pro-Choice, but I'm anti-Stem Cell research. Yes I see the good that can come out of stem cell research, but the idea of butchering millions of embryo's just to "see" if we can make some medical advancement while all of our other techniques are still advancing at an amazing rate, just doesnt seem right to me yet.
I know it makes no sense, but that's how it works for me -- as of now anyway.
But wrongful death for losing an embryo? I don't know, in most cases I'd say no. However, if that embryo was a families child waiting to be inserted into the mother so she could finally have a baby -- then I understand where they're coming from.
02-07-2005, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by click sidious
"butchering millions of embryo's"
so you consider a group of less than 20 cells an embryo?
your right, doesn't make sence.
so you consider a group of less than 20 cells an embryo?
your right, doesn't make sence.
Scientists define what an embryo is, not me.
02-07-2005, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by click sidious
"butchering millions of embryo's"
so you consider a group of less than 20 cells an embryo?
your right, doesn't make sence.
so you consider a group of less than 20 cells an embryo?
your right, doesn't make sence.
by definition, yes.
02-07-2005, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ISP James
by definition, yes.
02-07-2005, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by click sidious
sorry. no. definition states it's not an embryo untill the 8th week of development. They research on ones that are less than 3 weeks old.
"In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development."
That means from the day it's fertalized, until up to the 8th week, it's considered an embryo. Beyond that point it is no longer merely an "embryo."
02-07-2005, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by antarius
Wrong.
"In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development."
That means from the day it's fertalized, until up to the 8th week, it's considered an embryo. Beyond that point it is no longer merely an "embryo."
"In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development."
That means from the day it's fertalized, until up to the 8th week, it's considered an embryo. Beyond that point it is no longer merely an "embryo."
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02-07-2005, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by click sidious
it's not as soon at it's fertalized. it has to have time to grow first before it can be considered an embryo.
"In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development."
How clear do you need it to be?
When it gets "implanted" or "fertalized" it is an embryo, and stays an embryo (albeit a constantly growing embryo) until the 8th week, after which it's considered a "fetus."
Definition of Fetus:
"In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo."