Good vs Bad. my first political thread in a while
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Originally Posted by antarius
As Cheney said, there's a fundamental difference between how the Republicans and Democrats feel taxes should be created.
Democrats feel that those whom are rich, should pay more in taxes - basically because "they can afford it." Republicans feel that they should make a tax base that is fair, and cut taxes whenever possible - including a cut to the rich - because it's the rich who start businesses and employ people, not the poor.
To me, just because you are filthy rich from either luck or hard work, does not give me or anyone else the right to take more away from you. The rich earned what they have, and most of them worked very hard for it - and they should not be punished for that kind of achievement. That's what this country is all about anyway, isn't it? You can work as hard as you like and make as much as you like, or work as little as you like and make as little as you wish, but regardless what you choose you wont be penalized just because you got rich and "can afford to pay more."
I'm by no means rich, nor is my family, but I firmly believe that what you make and earn (or are given) is yours and just because it is higher than 99.9% of the rest of the worlds income doesn't mean you should be forced to give more of it away than another person who doesn't make as much as you do.
Democrats feel that those whom are rich, should pay more in taxes - basically because "they can afford it." Republicans feel that they should make a tax base that is fair, and cut taxes whenever possible - including a cut to the rich - because it's the rich who start businesses and employ people, not the poor.
To me, just because you are filthy rich from either luck or hard work, does not give me or anyone else the right to take more away from you. The rich earned what they have, and most of them worked very hard for it - and they should not be punished for that kind of achievement. That's what this country is all about anyway, isn't it? You can work as hard as you like and make as much as you like, or work as little as you like and make as little as you wish, but regardless what you choose you wont be penalized just because you got rich and "can afford to pay more."
I'm by no means rich, nor is my family, but I firmly believe that what you make and earn (or are given) is yours and just because it is higher than 99.9% of the rest of the worlds income doesn't mean you should be forced to give more of it away than another person who doesn't make as much as you do.
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Originally Posted by ManInCamo
Right now, we have one guy saying one thing. Then the other guy says something else. Who to believe.
Lemme see; have I got this straight?
Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
Lemme see; have I got this straight?
Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
Awarding no-bid contract to company your VP was the CEO of less then 2 years ago - Bad
Originally Posted by ManInCamo
Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good..
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
Bush spends 87 billion (AND COUNTING) in Iraq for no god damn reason at all - Bad
Originally Posted by ManInCamo
Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists- good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...
Originally Posted by ManInCamo
Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad.
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad.
Originally Posted by ManInCamo
Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...
Bush commits war crimes while in office - worse
Originally Posted by ManInCamo
Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...
Increasing the deficit more in 4 years than the previous 8 - bad
Originally Posted by ManInCamo
Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...
Amount of evidence required to invade country and overthrow government - high
Originally Posted by ManInCamo
Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Punching person X in the face - bad
Originally Posted by ManInCamo
Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...
Terrorists training in rest of mideast under Bush - bad
Originally Posted by ManInCamo
Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad.
Saddam turned over for trial - bad.
Saddam in domestic courts of a country whose government is not independant of the United States - bad
Originally Posted by ManInCamo
Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own.
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Originally Posted by antarius
.... AND he has the balls to come back on the political stage 30 years later and tout how much of a hero he is for having served.
So let's get this straight.
He was a hero for serving.
He decided he'd throw out his medals and not be associated with serving in Vietnam because it was a war that should not have been fought.
He decided to tell Congress and the American people what atrocities soldiers, including himself, had done in Vietnam and how they should be pulled back from Vietnam.
He goes on to speak of disgust of the war in Vietnam and how he is not proud he served in it, hence - throwing away his medals.
Fastforward to 2004.
He's proud of his medals in Vietnam.
He touts his service in the Armed Forces to achieve that "hero status" again.
Seems to me that he wants the glory when it suits him, and doens't when it doesn't suit him.
If you'd like me to start posting all of the votes that Senator John Kerry has voted for - and in hindsight - been on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY, I gladly will. If you want me to post all of the votes that Senator John Kerry has flat out MISSED that you would deem as a VERY IMPORTANT issue, I will gladly do that as well.
The bottom line is, John Kerry has been wrong in the past more times than I can count, and he has changed his position on everything from how proud he is in Vietnam to the war in Iraq time and time again - depending on the political climate.
I have no doubt that he was digusted with what happened in Vietnam; and I have no doubt that he served honorably. What I do doubt is how he can be disgusted and ashamed of the service in Vietnam that he, and every other soldier performed, 30 years ago - and then in 2004 decide it was honorable and be proud of it again. It's a lack of integrity, and I don't trust him for it... at all.
So let's get this straight.
He was a hero for serving.
He decided he'd throw out his medals and not be associated with serving in Vietnam because it was a war that should not have been fought.
He decided to tell Congress and the American people what atrocities soldiers, including himself, had done in Vietnam and how they should be pulled back from Vietnam.
He goes on to speak of disgust of the war in Vietnam and how he is not proud he served in it, hence - throwing away his medals.
Fastforward to 2004.
He's proud of his medals in Vietnam.
He touts his service in the Armed Forces to achieve that "hero status" again.
Seems to me that he wants the glory when it suits him, and doens't when it doesn't suit him.
If you'd like me to start posting all of the votes that Senator John Kerry has voted for - and in hindsight - been on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY, I gladly will. If you want me to post all of the votes that Senator John Kerry has flat out MISSED that you would deem as a VERY IMPORTANT issue, I will gladly do that as well.
The bottom line is, John Kerry has been wrong in the past more times than I can count, and he has changed his position on everything from how proud he is in Vietnam to the war in Iraq time and time again - depending on the political climate.
I have no doubt that he was digusted with what happened in Vietnam; and I have no doubt that he served honorably. What I do doubt is how he can be disgusted and ashamed of the service in Vietnam that he, and every other soldier performed, 30 years ago - and then in 2004 decide it was honorable and be proud of it again. It's a lack of integrity, and I don't trust him for it... at all.
great points JP. It's another example of the many flip flops of John Kerry. He can't stick with any one position, even on his own service.
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Originally Posted by antarius
.... AND he has the balls to come back on the political stage 30 years later and tout how much of a hero he is for having served.
So let's get this straight.
He was a hero for serving.
Seems to me that he wants the glory when it suits him, and doens't when it doesn't suit him..
So let's get this straight.
He was a hero for serving.
Seems to me that he wants the glory when it suits him, and doens't when it doesn't suit him..
Originally Posted by antarius
.... AND
If you'd like me to start posting all of the votes that Senator John Kerry has voted for - and in hindsight - been on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY, I gladly will. If you want me to post all of the votes that Senator John Kerry has flat out MISSED that you would deem as a VERY IMPORTANT issue, I will gladly do that as well.
If you'd like me to start posting all of the votes that Senator John Kerry has voted for - and in hindsight - been on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY, I gladly will. If you want me to post all of the votes that Senator John Kerry has flat out MISSED that you would deem as a VERY IMPORTANT issue, I will gladly do that as well.
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Originally Posted by fjm1
A person can be a hero within a conflict that is not a good one. He's not saying Vietnam was a good thing, he's saying he's proud of serving his country.
He wasn't proud of his serving back then, but now that it may help him get elected he is proud of it. He has also said that he threw his medals in the river. Then he said he has them displayed in his house. Then he said he threw someone else's medals. Get your facts straight Senator Kerry.
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Please do, I am interested. While you are at it, run Bush's vote history as well. We'll se who has a better percentage.
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Originally Posted by qtiger
As for Kerry's military record, I haven't seen him saying he's proud of what he did. Bush has challenged his ability to lead, and Kerry responds by saying that he has lead, and lead successfully, in Vietnam.
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Originally Posted by redgoober4life
we're comparing two mediocre presidents. :thinking:
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Originally Posted by redgoober4life
we're comparing two mediocre presidents. :thinking:
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