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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DakarM
out of everyone that served with him only 1 person will back him on his "medals"

everyone else says he whined to get them. there are lots of accusations that show he probably didn't deserve any of them.

I still fail to see how the repubs have a leg to stand on for attacking Kerry's military past...
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RB
I still fail to see how the repubs have a leg to stand on for attacking Kerry's military past...

well my comment wasn't about that. just on kerrys medal record.

oh shit! i'm in a political THREAD!

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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DakarM
well my comment wasn't about that. just on kerrys medal record.

oh shit! i'm in a political THREAD!

*RUNSOUT*

lol yeah I usually try and stay out of them too, but I'm so bored at work that I feel the need to argue to pass the time.


I just think that, yeah, the medal thing may be kind of sketch, but does that denigrate his actual service history? It's not like him asking for a medal changes the fact that he did serve in one of the more bloody conflicts in our history.


I just hate blind partisan-ism...I see it very strongly from both sides both here and on IL.
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DakarM
out of everyone that served with him only 1 person will back him on his "medals"

everyone else says he whined to get them. there are lots of accusations that show he probably didn't deserve any of them.
The producers of the ads againts Kerry tried to run the same type of ad against Arizona Sen. John Mcain. I personally give little credit to said ads :dunno:
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 04:28 PM
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the one thing that gets me is Kerry is complaining is the Bush group has made the suggestion to denounce all political ads from soft money. namely moveon.org. its funny that Kerry won't denounce political groups that compare the president to Hitler. unless Kerry denounces liberal groups, he better grin and bear it.
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by skabone69
the one thing that gets me is Kerry is complaining is the Bush group has made the suggestion to denounce all political ads from soft money. namely moveon.org. its funny that Kerry won't denounce political groups that compare the president to Hitler. unless Kerry denounces liberal groups, he better grin and bear it.
John Kerry on Tuesday condemned a television ad that criticizes President Bush’s Vietnam-era service in the Texas Air National Guard
http://www.smdailyjournal.org/articl...&storyID=33895
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RB
lol yeah I usually try and stay out of them too, but I'm so bored at work that I feel the need to argue to pass the time.


I just think that, yeah, the medal thing may be kind of sketch, but does that denigrate his actual service history? It's not like him asking for a medal changes the fact that he did serve in one of the more bloody conflicts in our history.


I just hate blind partisan-ism...I see it very strongly from both sides both here and on IL.
no it doesn't but the people who served with him and were interviewed says he didn't deserve the medal. they also said that he was trying to get out
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 06:21 PM
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=12386

No one denies Mr. Kerry’s four bemedaled months in “Swiftboats” or his seven-months’ service as an electrical officer on board the USS Gridley, during its cruises back and forth to California, or even his months as an admiral’s aide in Brooklyn, before he was able get out of the Navy six months early to run for office.

Taking a look at Mr. Kerry’s much-promoted Vietnam service, his military record was, indeed, remarkable in many ways. Last week, the former assistant secretary of defense and Fletcher School of Diplomacy professor, W. Scott Thompson, recalled a conversation with the late Admiral Elmo R. Zumwalt Jr. that clearly had a slightly different take on Mr. Kerry’s recollection of their discussions:

“[T]he fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations,Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me — 30 years ago when he was still CNO —that during his own command of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass,by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.‘We had virtually to straitjacket him to keep him under control,’ the admiral said. ‘Bud’ Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions — but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.” And this statement was made despite the fact Zumwalt had personally pinned a Silver Star on Mr. Kerry.

Mr. Kerry was assigned to Swiftboat 44 on December 1, 1968. Within 24 hours, he had his first Purple Heart. Mr. Kerry accumulated three Purple Hearts in four months with not even a day of duty lost from wounds, according to his training officer. It’s a pity one cannot read his Purple Heart medical treatment reports which have been withheld from the public. The only person preventing their release is Mr. Kerry.

By his own admission during those four months, Mr. Kerry continually kept ramming his Swiftboat onto an enemy-held shore on assorted occasions alone and with a few men, killing civilians and even a wounded enemy soldier. One can begin to appreciate Zumwalt’s problem with Mr. Kerry as commander of an unarmored craft dependent upon speed of maneuver to keep it and its crew from being shot to pieces.

Mr. Kerry now refers to those civilian deaths as “accidents of war.”And within four days of his third Purple Heart, Mr. Kerry applied to take advantage of a technicality which allowed him to request immediate transfer to a stateside post.

Outside of his own “accidents of war,” there is no evidence that Mr. Kerry had then or has now the least idea what may or may not have been the realities of ground combat. However, he had no problem reeling off for the Senate a series of unproven, secondhand allegations that would have been perfectly at home at the Nuremberg trials indicting his fellow veterans.

Mr. Kerry has already confessed his complicity in killing civilians as “accidents of war.” However, he has offered a classic Nuremberg defense that this was not only a commonplace occurrence throughout the Vietnam War, but he was carrying out a policy “with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.”

His commander of naval operations in Vietnam, who specifically designed the mission that Mr. Kerry and the other Swiftboat commanders executed, Admiral Zumwalt, clearly disagreed. An examination of the truth behind this disagreement is not an attack on Mr. Kerry. It is a matter of vital historical interest.
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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by reno96teg
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5758982/

i dont get it.. i specifically recall news reports saying that Bush denounced that advertising against Kerry. so where is this bullshit coming from?

i also find it funny that Kerry is demanding Bush renounces the advertising in light of all the bad publicity against Bush. Kerry doesn't have a movie out against him.. and one that outright lies on top of that. is Kerry going to denounce that?

and on top of that, this article has this line:
is that objective reporting? that's a subjective statement. it's implying that Kerry is right and those veterans are wrong. not to mention that the entire article is heavily skewed in Kerry's favor, emphasizing his side of the story. it's also interesting to note that the article specifically refers to those veterans being funded by "republican" groups, implying that Bush has something to do with it. but they conveniently neglect to mention that organizations like moveon.org are funded by democrats. the implication being that it's a bi-partisan organization, which it obviously isn't.

biased media? no way.

Nice find Reno. Media bias . . . never :chuckles:
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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by RB
lol yeah I usually try and stay out of them too, but I'm so bored at work that I feel the need to argue to pass the time.


I just think that, yeah, the medal thing may be kind of sketch, but does that denigrate his actual service history? It's not like him asking for a medal changes the fact that he did serve in one of the more bloody conflicts in our history.


I just hate blind partisan-ism...I see it very strongly from both sides both here and on IL.

The reason his record is being questioned is because all kerry does is talk about how he served. Yet he lies about it. He lied and said he was in cambodia yet he never was. He is a very sketchy guy and the swift vote vets do not support him because they were there and know how he was in battle.

This argument kerry is putting up that it is not right for the swift vote vets to be putting ads that tell what really happened and should not be up is bs. Because the move on organization ran ads depicting biush as hitler but that was just fine. Partisanship and media bias. You better damn bet ya that this is going on in the media.

Kerry wants the truth hidden. He won't release his full military records. Bush released his and has nothing to hide. If Kerry had nothing to hide then why are some of his records sealed and he will not release them????
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