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i think the US should start invading countries

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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 98CoupeV6
5.8 billion or whatever vs .2 billion. Do the math. Hitler tried it, Romans tried it, French tried it, British tried it, pretty much every superpower has tried it except us at one point or another. We'd never take over the world, especially since 10 other countries have nuclear capability. Look how hard it is to control Iraq, and only a small minority over there are resisting us. Imagine if the whole country or even half of it wanted us out.
yeah, but the germans, romans, french and british did it with an iron fist, not latte's and jelly doughnuts.
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 08:26 PM
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Lets take Canada... Everyone hates Canada they are bunch of French Hippies
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Duff Man
we aren't doing this already? No not politically, but economically.
We're not "doing it", we've already done it. The entire planet's economy is based on the dollar.
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 09:40 PM
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However, you fools fail to realize that with hegemony comes "force projection" which gives us the ability to put bases in foreign countries (why you won't find a foreign base in our country). until the US's status declines we'll have the ability to be where we please...

oh and china and other countries have already started buying oil in euros. so the US dollar is on the decline.
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by /^Blackmagik^\
yeah, but the germans, romans, french and british did it with an iron fist, not latte's and jelly doughnuts.
I've been trying to be quiet, but I take umbrage at our continuing to mention the British in with the others.

In the first place, the Pax Britannica was the greatest empire this planet has ever known, and it was the most even handed and most altruistic and even self sacrificing empire ever in history.

The most important thing you need to be aware of is that it was largely an accident which, once promoted, could not be retreated from.

Canada, Australia, New Zealand...these places were deliberately colonised and later imperialised.

However, the Indian subcontinent and Africa were initially accidents. Much of the old empire was acquired as a result of European conflicts (India, Tanzania, the Cameroon, South Africa) or attempts to save stupid white people from themselves (Bengal, Kenya, Egypt).

As late as the 1700's you will notice correspondence and legislation that makes it clear that economic opportunity was the biggest reason for the empire.

However, by the time you get to Queen Victoria, you notice an entirely different attitude. There was a substantial but vocal political minority who felt the empire and "paternalism" was a moral mistake...but how do you get out of it?

Even as these same people were saying, "We need to stop this" they found themselves expanding the empire in consequence of wars of various kinds. The British were always very mixed up about this, and the images you get on TV about a British upper class that had a single-minded attitude about the White Man's Burden and that it was crystal clear....well, it's just not right.

The wars that subjugated the Zulu, the Ashanti and the Masai were wrong...but what else could they do? You already had these Dutch, Irish and English colonists out there and they were your responsibility...what do you do? They've already been there since the 1600's and on their own, protected for a long time by private corporations that were now either defunct or entirely outclassed by the massed armies of the opposition.

So, what do you do?

You might be weirdly entertained to know that the British elevated the defeated chief of the Zulu and the Ashantikene to the level of "king" in the British constitution. They and their nations continued to have certain inalienable rights in the imperial system, and colonists out to make their fortunes frequently found that their own Crown would end up on the side of the indigenous population instead of the white man.

Mohandas Gandhi several times publicly thanked God that his pacifist campaign was mounted against the British system because, as he said, any other system would have slaughtered him immediately.

Many of us are also talking about the British system as if it were a creature of several hundred years ago. The Empire and Commonwealth did not even reach the height of its territorial responsibilities until 1921 (George V), and the continued peacful existence of the Commonwealth and its ability to release and acquire new states entirely peacefully is testimony that the Commonwealth should probably not be mentioned in the same breath as the previous unsuccessful world systems.
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 06:16 AM
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so long... and thanks for all the fish...
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dubster99
Mexico and Cuba have been invading the US for years.

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I think we should talk to Mexico into becoming the 51st state. Half of them want to come here anyway. Why not join together, and make it a better place instead of wasting so much on border patrols/immigration.
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by wilsel
I think we should talk to Mexico into becoming the 51st state. Half of them want to come here anyway. Why not join together, and make it a better place instead of wasting so much on border patrols/immigration.
thats a bit bias abd lots of ppl will not like that.
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by flipped cracka
really, who's gonna stop us? start with some countries most countries don't care about (cuba, mexico, south american countries, canada) just to get more land. then, spread from there. we could probably take over the world in less than 10 years.



discuss.

YES!!! U ARE THE MAN!!
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 11:58 AM
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the first post was so dumb, my eyes are bleeding
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