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Old Apr 20, 2004 | 05:42 AM
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Sorry if this was a heated topic before, but i didnt see it ... anyways, saw this article about lots of hate sites springing up everywhere lately BUT they're supposed to be allowed to run, sites that promote extremist theories, because they're allowed "free speech".

Now... i'm confused. Isnt prejudice illegal?

And if "indecency" is so frowned upon, with the FCC instituting fines for things that arent "dirty" but "innapropiate"? Isnt prejudice and hate worst?

This is a sh*tload of hypocrism...
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Old Apr 20, 2004 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 9600baud
Sorry if this was a heated topic before, but i didnt see it ... anyways, saw this article about lots of hate sites springing up everywhere lately BUT they're supposed to be allowed to run, sites that promote extremist theories, because they're allowed "free speech".

Now... i'm confused. Isnt prejudice illegal?

And if "indecency" is so frowned upon, with the FCC instituting fines for things that arent "dirty" but "innapropiate"? Isnt prejudice and hate worst?

This is a sh*tload of hypocrism...
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Old Apr 20, 2004 | 06:05 AM
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There is an issue you are forgetting....The FCC doesn't control what is on the internet....these "hate" sites that you talk of have no governing regulations that they have to check up with...just like pr0n sites. FCC are instituting fines on radios that operate in the United States, where they have jurisdiction.....
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Old Apr 20, 2004 | 06:35 AM
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"Hate speech" can indeed be sanctioned, if at the very minimum through litigation brought by private entities.

The problem you run into is that there's no set of firm guidelines for what exactly qualifies as "hate speech."
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Old Apr 20, 2004 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kid018
There is an issue you are forgetting....The FCC doesn't control what is on the internet....these "hate" sites that you talk of have no governing regulations that they have to check up with...just like pr0n sites. FCC are instituting fines on radios that operate in the United States, where they have jurisdiction.....
Actually, I'm sure SOMEONE's regulating the ubernet. Not sure what goverment branch does, but pr0n sites arent illegal, they must follow strict rules like no under 18 models or allowed, disclaimers, copyrights, etc...

I'm sure if someone started a site promoting like... kitty pr0n, the fed would be all over it in like 30 secs. So for sure... someone's watching, and the laws do apply.

Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
"Hate speech" can indeed be sanctioned, if at the very minimum through litigation brought by private entities.

The problem you run into is that there's no set of firm guidelines for what exactly qualifies as "hate speech."
Well that answers that question...
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Old Apr 20, 2004 | 06:58 AM
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Let's also not forget there is a difference (albeit a fine edge) between what you say and what you do.

You can go around spouting off all kinds of prejudicial crap (protected under the 1st Ammendment), but the moment you start acting on that, then you hit the illegal bit.
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Old Apr 20, 2004 | 07:28 AM
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Predjudice is not illegal, heck the definition (just read it in my psych book last night) states that it's not even a conscious thought.
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Old Apr 20, 2004 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by kd5dbl
Let's also not forget there is a difference (albeit a fine edge) between what you say and what you do.

You can go around spouting off all kinds of prejudicial crap (protected under the 1st Ammendment), but the moment you start acting on that, then you hit the illegal bit.
So would it be okay for (totally random example here) Jay Leno to start saying the N-word, bashing gays, preaching Nazi-ism, etc...? I dont see how he woudnt get sued etc...?
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Old Apr 20, 2004 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 9600baud
So would it be okay for (totally random example here) Jay Leno to start saying the N-word, bashing gays, preaching Nazi-ism, etc...? I dont see how he woudnt get sued etc...?
Legally speaking under the first ammendment, he CAN say that... not really a problem. I can't say he wouldn't get sued over it, but it would be a civil case, not really criminal.

But the point I was making, he can say anything prejudicial he wants, but the moment he fires Kevin Eubanks (the band leader) because he's black (i.e. action based on his belief), then you get in to illegal.

There is freedom of speech, but not freedom of action.
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Old Apr 20, 2004 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 9600baud
So would it be okay for (totally random example here) Jay Leno to start saying the N-word, bashing gays, preaching Nazi-ism, etc...? I dont see how he woudnt get sued etc...?
In that example you give someone who is in the US, and works for a US company. There are strict laws on what he can and cannot say.

Remember the word "internet" is short... for International Network. If Japan all of a sudden allows child porn, hate sites, drug ordering over the internet and all those bad things, well there's nothing the US can do to stop that. It's a totally diffrent story once that border is crossed. Not all websites are run and fall under US jurisdiction.
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