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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 12:54 PM
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Not every country is war loving.

And like I've said before.. no nation can truly be represented by it's single leader.
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by EriksShadow
Not every country is war loving.

And like I've said before.. no nation can truly be represented by it's single leader.
I agree that no nation can truly be represented by its leader. However in the case for war in Iraq, both Congress and he Senate voted to authorize the use of force. Those Congressmen and Senators were elected by their people to represent them. So in voting they were doing the will of their people. So the war in Iraq was represented by the nation.
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 01:13 PM
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.....but not the UN
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by tib
.....but not the UN
I didn't know the UN spoke for the United States and it's citizens?

Besides we should not need the UN's approval to protect ourself and our allies. The only reason the UN did not authorize force is because of 1 nation...France. That does not make the UN right. More nations supported the war than opposed it, I think that is a better determination as to who was right and who was wrong. All France has done is shove a rift between the EU, the US, and NATO, as well as rendered the UN useless in world conflict.
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by DVPGSR
I agree that no nation can truly be represented by its leader. However in the case for war in Iraq, both Congress and he Senate voted to authorize the use of force. Those Congressmen and Senators were elected by their people to represent them. So in voting they were doing the will of their people. So the war in Iraq was represented by the nation.
Unless 100% of the people vote for someone... that's hardly a TRUE representation. Sure.. someone may get the popular vote... which shows the popular thinking in the way of a town, county, state, country... whatever. But not the entire population is represented. Which is the way of a democracy... sometimes your side is up... sometimes its down.

And all I have to say to that... is... "meh"
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by EriksShadow
Unless 100% of the people vote for someone... that's hardly a TRUE representation. Sure.. someone may get the popular vote... which shows the popular thinking in the way of a town, county, state, country... whatever. But not the entire population is represented. Which is the way of a democracy... sometimes your side is up... sometimes its down.

And all I have to say to that... is... "meh"
Sounds like a certain senator from NY. But that is the way our political system is designed.
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 01:37 PM
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I know... that's why I just say "meh", shrug, and go on my merry way..
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Old Jan 16, 2004 | 06:33 AM
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Originally posted by DVPGSR I agree that no nation can truly be represented by its leader.
The only ultimate democracies are (1)Anarchy and (2)Monarchy, where fate or God chooses a leader in some ultimately democratic lottery system.

Those Congressmen and Senators were elected by their people to represent them. So in voting they were doing the will of their people.
Just a minor clarification that in both of the major democratic systems (pluralistic electoral republicanism as in the United States, and parliamentary democratic monarchy in the case of the Commonwealth), the only real show of the people's will is in the election of the representative.

After the election, no representative can "go to the country" over every issue he has to vote on.

He is, therefore, exercising his conscience and not necessarily the will of the people, because he will seldom really know what is the will of the people.
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