waht do you meen not researched rotary enough it's been around for quite some time now in lots of mazda cars. and the s2000 still has around 50% more displacment then the rotary

 

yea but its a rotary.
high HP per liter.
but NA you can only get so much.
look at its TQ figures for starters. and then look at what a turbo can do for a high reving rotory.

when wankel designed that engine philosophy, he was thinking more towards efficiency.
that is where a turbo comes in

~boom

 

yeah its been awhile for a long time but it doesnt seem the technology has advanced as much as it could. i mean mazda has changed the design a lot and i think it was sport compact car that had a full artical on it which i read and i was intrigued by but i just wasnt that impressed. maybe if they would safely boost the car and i mean by boost just mild to low boost nothing super high they should leave that to the ppl who wanna take the risk.

 

They've been researching it almost non-stop since they aquired a license from NSU back in the 60's. You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you?

 

they have the motor itself pretty much down but they should explore more options to make the car more sport i could see the present motor they have in the rx8 more suitable inside of a mazda 6 and that would be sweet but i think the rx8 deserves a more sport motor to keep the sports car name.

 

what the rx8 needs it more torque
honda got smart and upped the s2000 to 2.2 liters in 2004, because they werent doing as well with the 240 HP and no TQ. they only gained about 9 ft/lbs i think (making it about even with the h22a btw). and im sure that TQ increase is going to have a profound effect on s2000 track performance

~boom

 

I understand what you are talking about, but your thinking (along with most people's concept) of the RX-8 is still flawed. The RX-8 is not really a sports car, it is a "sports sedan." Basically a four seat car for a guy who doesn't want to look like an old man.

To understand this, let's look into the history of Mazda's Rotary cars.

Cosmo Sport- sports car.
R100- compact car.
RX-2, compact car.
RX-3, (slightly larger) compact car.
RX-4, (even larger) compact car.
RX-5, coupe.
REPU, light truck.
RX-7, sports car.
Cosmo, sedan.
RX-8, "sports" sedan.

You guys have to realize that the "RX" (or simply "R") prefix doesn't mean it is a sports car, just that is has a Rotary engine. The RX-8 isn't ment to be crazy fast, at least for the time being. 238 horsepower is still good for what it is, especially considering the last naturally aspirated 13B Rotary only put out 160 horsepower.

Imagine Honda taking a 160 horsepower B16A and reworking it to put out 240 horsepower, and then making a few thousand copys. Not exactly the same, but you get the idea.

 

the rx-8 has 159 ft lbs of torque qhile the new 2.2 liter s2000 has 162 hardlly low torque compared to the s2000 when the rx-8 beats out the old s2000 in torque

 

gee i wonder why honda upped the displacement.

if u have a better explanation for why 2 high reving motors with the same HP and TQ figures perform so different in the 1/4 mile then please share it with the rest of us.

i noticed that the rx-8 pulls a 15.15 @ 94 according to MSN autos.

makes sense since i put one away in my 1992 prelude that ran a 15.04 nearly stock, I/H with no traction

so the s2000 which is in the mid-low 14's no problem is either ungodly fast, or the rx-8 is ungodly slow for its power numbers.

take your pick

~boom

 

a comment that i found in Sport Compact Car written by Dave Coleman one of their editors based on the mazda renesis technology and the Intergrated Motor Assist (IMA) that honda has developed.

"The RX-8's new side-exhaust RENESIS rotary engine is a vast imporvement over the old peripheral-exhaust 13bs, but it still has a few weak points, most of which, it turns out, would be cure by a little IMA in spite of its reduced overlap and better low-rpm breathing, the RENESIS is still a little weak at low rpm. An electric motor makes as much torque at zero rpm as it dose at its maximum speed so it can be a big help at low rpm without compromising high rpm performance, something rfew other power boosters can claim.
The RENESIS also continues to be a little thirsty, so turning off instead of idling and using a little batter power to reduce the use of gas here and there can't hurt. Rotaries are also a little difficult to start. While Much imporved with the side exhaust ports, it can still take a few tires to restart a hot RENESIS. Spinning the engine to full idle speed before ever firing a fuel injector ensures the engine will be going fast enough to make good compression and virtually guarantees that not a single camberful of gas will get through without igniting.
....(goings on about IMA)
"

now i understand that the "r" in rx8 stands for rotary but i mean...im sure you could find a way to beef up the motor so it has more hp and still keep it rotary. im not saying to drop the rotary out of the line up cuz thats what makes the car so different and special