First, the President is to keep the citizens of the US safe from harm...it is pretty clear that he is doing that.

Second, highly doubtful so do not get your hopes up. No Senator or Congressmen that wants to further their carreer is ever going to go on record censuring or impeaching a President because he is doing everything within his power to protect this country. That will be committing political suicide.

 

They had a whole year of invetigations for the Plame non-story. In the end the administration got cleared of having anything to do with leaking the story. The only indictment was on Scooter Libby for not being 100% truthfull to the Grand Jury from the start. As I said when Clinton got impeached for lying to the Grand Jury investigating him, it is the lies and coverup that get you and Libby deserved the indictment. However, he was cleared of having anything to do with leaking Plame to the media.

This was another case of libs grasping at straws for anything.

Oh and the last sentence:lmfao:

 

You having a Merry Christmas Tom?

 

Merry Christmas, Benjamin.

And Merry Christmas to DVPGSR and Bl@ck as well. The entire story proved to be false therefore the basis for the argument from the liberals is gone. It's pretty sad to know that these idiot college kids are willing to lie and harm our government to promote their political agenda or bring their grade up. He should be kicked out of college and prosecuted.

 

Wrong again. I started the thread in order to discuss the implications of the government spying on citizens and harassing them for reading anything that might disagree with the administration. I didn't try to cite it as a pattern of anything, or as an example of how we're all screwed, or anything that could be considered sensationalism, even by the most liberal definition.


The Pygmalion effect pertains to expected results, not desired results. You're wrong again.

I don't know why you brought up the Plame case. That didn't make any sense. And you're wrong about the Plame case being built upon speculation and hearsay.


Wrong... again. Also: fuck you, asshole.

DVPGSR: You enjoyed that? Fuck you too, asshole.

Wow Civic: I'm Jewish, but thanks anyway for sarcastically wishing me a merry christmas. That was super grown-up of you. Be proud of yourself for that.

I agree that the kid should be expelled from school. He used the good name of the school to perpetrate a fraud, and he falsely accused the government of spying on him. He is a liar and should be held responsible.

 

wow, you really don't get it do you? you actually think that with a thread title like "shades of fascism" that you were intending to engage in a rational debate. are you really that full of shit?

you expected this story to be true based on your mistrust of our government and our current administration, however misguided it may be.

I brought it up because it is another example, in a long line of examples, of sensationalism from the left in order to defame the president and his administration. Funny how the press was chomping at the bit over this case until the investigation showed that no one in the administration leaked Mrs Plame's status as a CIA operative. It sure is funny how this case has fallen by the wayside. So much for objective reporting.

I didn't say the Plame case was based on speculation and hearsay. I said the allegations against the administration in the Plame case are based on speculation and hearsay. please keep up. i do hate repeating myself.

What is it with you and liking to tell people they're wrong? This is especially outlandish when your evidence is based on editorials or events that were made up by a college student. I do find the whole "you're wrong" approach immensely humorous coming from someone whose arguments are as convoluted as yours; especially when you lack evidence to back up your claims and resort to misrepresenting editorial as fact (to point out one of your more used debate tactics).

Oh, and Ben, as long as you keep it up you just reaffirm the correctness of the last statement in my last post. Merry Christmas.

 

I did...how was yours?

We talked about this yesterday and my family all pretty much agrees, even the left leaning ones, that this is a good practice to keep us safe.

 

Sorry, I just got a kick out of that...no need to get all fiesty!!

 

good to hear it. we had a blast here, hangin out, getting stuffed, watching the kids play.