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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Wow Civic
Mellow, any further specifics of that story are irrelevant. Enough information in that story is there that you can gather the ACLU does not agree with Christianity. They do, however, endorse other minority's religions.
The ACLU isn't a government agency; they can endorse anything they like. It happens that you're wrong that the ACLU specifies a preference for minority religions over the majority.

I can't figure out why you, a guy who claims to be Agnostic, is carrying around a persecution complex on behalf of Christians. Whats up with that?

Originally Posted by Wow Civic
Do you honestly believe that if Gov. Hull declared December the 25th, just one day out of the year, to commemorate the birth of Jesus that the ACLU wouldn't go bizzerks? Good Grief, just look at how they've declared war on the word "CHRISTMAS" let alone if Gov. Hull set aside a day of the year to commemorate the birth of Jesus?? However, Hull, did a smart thing. She trapped the ACLU to reveal double standards against Christianity by declaring one day the "birth of Buddah." What did the ACLU do? Absolutely nothing. To declare a day "the birth of Jesus" is different than to declare a day "the birth of Buddah" --- why?? Ask the ACLU!
There's a difference between Bible Week and a day recognizing the birth of Buddha, and here it is:

Bible week celebrates the doctrine of belief that one religion follows. Ergo it is an endorsement of that religion.

A day celebrating the birth of buddha is a little less clear. I couldn't find the text of the proclamation, but I'm going to have to assume it referred to Siddartha Gautama, a buddha who lived between 563 BCE and 483 BCE. Without going into too much detail, Gautama Buddha is not the only buddha, but I can't imagine the proclamation being for anyone else.

Buddha is an important figure in Hinduism, Islam, and was even a cannonized Christian saint in the Roman Catholic Church. Without reading the proclamation I can't say for sure that Hull meant to honor or endorse one particular religion over another, and I can't see how honoring Gautama Buddha would do that. I have a hunch thats why the ACLU decided it wasn't a cause for action.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 09:21 AM
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I don't know about the whole Buddha thing. That's getting really close to the line. I think I'd have to go with Wow Civic on this one - for most people recognizing the birth of Buddha would be equivalent to recognizing the birth of Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, etc.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 11:54 AM
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In order to create a balance (which is what democracy runs off), any majority of anything (party, religion, race) must be questioned and scrutinized at every turn. It may seem unfair, but it works and it protects this country from becoming under the control of one group.

I mean, what are the chance of Buddhism affecting and controlling how the government is run? I think it's safe to say there is very little if no chance. On the other hand, what are the chances of Christianity becoming a major player in government? Very high, in some cases (debatably) even directly affecting it today.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Wow Civic
She trapped the ACLU to reveal double standards against Christianity by declaring one day the "birth of Buddah." What did the ACLU do? Absolutely nothing. To declare a day "the birth of Jesus" is different than to declare a day "the birth of Buddah" --- why?? Ask the ACLU!
Playing devil's advocate: Buddhists don't worship Buddah. There is a significant difference.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by qtiger
Playing devil's advocate: Buddhists don't worship Buddah. There is a significant difference.
You think I'm going to take anything you say seriously after you compared Christmas trees to HITLER? Of course not so I'll humor you. Qtiger, that is COMPLETELY irrelevant. Buddah is a holy figure in Buddhism. Jesus is a holy figure in Christianity. If Gov. Hull had made a day marking the day of the birth of a Christian holy figure? An outcry would have pursued. Gov. Hull marked a day marking the day of the birth of a Buddhist holy figure? Nothing. If you need me to try to break it down any more to make it any more simple let me know.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MellowGold
In order to create a balance (which is what democracy runs off), any majority of anything (party, religion, race) must be questioned and scrutinized at every turn. It may seem unfair, but it works and it protects this country from becoming under the control of one group.

I mean, what are the chance of Buddhism affecting and controlling how the government is run? I think it's safe to say there is very little if no chance. On the other hand, what are the chances of Christianity becoming a major player in government? Very high, in some cases (debatably) even directly affecting it today.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MellowGold
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yeah we all read it the first time. you were full of shit then too. go figure.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by /^Blackbacca^\
yeah we all read it the first time. you were full of shit then too. go figure.
Hmmm...why do you say so? I feel it's a perfectly valid point, one that wow seemed to overlook. No need to be pugnacious about it.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 06:59 PM
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>>>>On the other hand, what are the chances of Christianity becoming a major player in government? Very high, in some cases (debatably) even directly affecting it today.

So you're telling me the ACLU fights Christianity because some lawmakers/senators/congressmen are Christians? Because Christian makes up the majority compared to other religions so they will fight the majority? Is that really the smart thing to do? Constantly fight the majority irregardless if your fight is for the wrong cause and the wrong result might happen? I did not overlook your "point"; I did not acknowledge it because it did not deserve my attention.


>>>>yeah we all read it the first time. you were full of shit then too. go figure.

Took the words right from me.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 03:41 AM
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What I said makes perfect sense. Why worry about your beard when your heads going to be cut off? The idea of someone worrying about a extremely minor religion is not logical. However, someone worrying about Christianity taking hold in government is a very well founded fear.

But, seeing as your amatuarish minds take to insults when confronted with a contradicting arguement, I will waste no more time on you.
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