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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 02:38 PM
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...as-player=true

The road to war in Iraq led through many unlikely places. One of them was a chic hotel nestled among the strip bars and brothels that cater to foreigners in the town of Pattaya, on the Gulf of Thailand.

On December 17th, 2001, in a small room within the sound of the crashing tide, a CIA officer attached metal electrodes to the ring and index fingers of a man sitting pensively in a padded chair. The officer then stretched a black rubber tube, pleated like an accordion, around the man's chest and another across his abdomen. Finally, he slipped a thick cuff over the man's brachial artery, on the inside of his upper arm.

Strapped to the polygraph machine was Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, a forty-three-year-old Iraqi who had fled his homeland in Kurdistan and was now determined to bring down Saddam Hussein. For hours, as thin mechanical styluses traced black lines on rolling graph paper, al-Haideri laid out an explosive tale. Answering yes and no to a series of questions, he insisted repeatedly that he was a civil engineer who had helped Saddam's men to secretly bury tons of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. The illegal arms, according to al-Haideri, were buried in subterranean wells, hidden in private villas, even stashed beneath the Saddam Hussein Hospital, the largest medical facility in Baghdad.

It was damning stuff -- just the kind of evidence the Bush administration was looking for. If the charges were true, they would offer the White House a compelling reason to invade Iraq and depose Saddam. That's why the Pentagon had flown a CIA polygraph expert to Pattaya: to question al-Haideri and confirm, once and for all, that Saddam was secretly stockpiling weapons of mass destruction.

There was only one problem: It was all a lie. After a review of the sharp peaks and deep valleys on the polygraph chart, the intelligence officer concluded that al-Haideri had made up the entire story, apparently in the hopes of securing a visa.

The article goes into great detail about the manipulation of intelligence and the straight-up lies told by the Bush administration about Iraq.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 03:04 PM
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So a polygraph test failed... sweet.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by benjamin
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The article goes into great detail about the manipulation of intelligence and the straight-up lies told by the Bush administration about Iraq.


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weapons were found, just not obscene stock piles of them. Get over it
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by benjamin
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...as-player=true




The article goes into great detail about the manipulation of intelligence and the straight-up lies told by the Bush administration about Iraq.
Lies told by the Bush administration, there's something new.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cobbcustomz
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weapons were found, just not obscene stock piles of them. Get over it
6 Jul 2004

British Prime Minister Tony Blair finally concedes: "I have to accept we haven't found them and we may never find them. We don't know what has happened to them. They could have been removed. They could have been hidden. They could have been destroyed."


The war was sold to the public as a way to enforce the UN weapons inspections. We were told that Saddam was hiding weapons, and thats why Bush invaded. No weapons were found. That bothers me and I'm not going to stop saying so.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by benjamin
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British Prime Minister Tony Blair finally concedes: "I have to accept we haven't found them and we may never find them. We don't know what has happened to them. They could have been removed. They could have been hidden. They could have been destroyed."


The war was sold to the public as a way to enforce the UN weapons inspections. We were told that Saddam was hiding weapons, and thats why Bush invaded. No weapons were found. That bothers me and I'm not going to stop saying so.
What bothers me more, is the fact that our soldiers are dying based on that fact. That's what truely burns me up.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 03:58 PM
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In order to tell a lie you need to know the opposite was true. So far, to this date, there has been zero evidence that President Bush knew any intelligence he spoke of was incorrect.

Was the intelligence flawed in many places? Absolutely

Should there be an investigation into why the intelligence was wrong? Yes

Did President Bush lie? NO, and there is no evidence to suggest to the contrary.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DVPGSR
In order to tell a lie you need to know the opposite was true. So far, to this date, there has been zero evidence that President Bush knew any intelligence he spoke of was incorrect.

Was the intelligence flawed in many places? Absolutely

Should there be an investigation into why the intelligence was wrong? Yes

Did President Bush lie? NO, and there is no evidence to suggest to the contrary.
I don't think he was singling out Bush, he was holding his whole administration at fault.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mike01civic
I don't think he was singling out Bush, he was holding his whole administration at fault.
Maybe not...but I am fed up with the long list of liberals that have been beating that drum for a very long time.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 04:39 PM
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http://democrats.reform.house.gov/IraqOnTheRecord/
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